Senate Rejects Bid to Raise Minimum Wage

[te14]

NO THEY WOULD RATHER VOTE TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE HALF WAY ACROSS THE WORLD AND THROW A TRILLION DOLLARS AWAY WHILE THE WORKING CLASS HERE STRUGGLES. YOU KNOW THEIR STANCE ON IT, ITS THE SAME AS YOURS.

Man, that is one great point. I've never heard that one before. And who is this "they?" I guess Kerry, etc., who voted for the authorization to go to war escape your blame.

"While the working class here struggles..." Amazing. Take those glasses off and stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

People killing themselves to get here for an economy that is struggling! What exactly is the American dream to you guys?
Is it entitlement or is it freedom?

[BettorsChat]

Listen the fact is simple there hasn't been a minimum raise in 9 years. The other fact is at the rate of inflations vs. minimum wage doesn't add up. As I stated before if you factor in minimum wage vs. inflation rate then it should be $9.08 per hour and not $5.15. That's a huge difference. Democrats eventually wanted to get it up to $7.15 or $7.25, but over time not right away.

Now let's take a company like Wal-Mart who I believe pays more than minimum wage, but they fuck their employees by giving them 36 hours a week so they don't have to pay benefits. They are being sued for it right now as well. I believe they have over 1,000 lawsuits against them for all kinds of shit.

[TwoTonTony]

Listen the fact is simple there hasn't been a minimum raise in 9 years. The other fact is at the rate of inflations vs. minimum wage doesn't add up. As I stated before if you factor in minimum wage vs. inflation rate then it should be $9.08 per hour and not $5.15. That's a huge difference. Democrats eventually wanted to get it up to $7.15 or $7.25, but over time not right away.

Now let's take a company like Wal-Mart who I believe pays more than minimum wage, but they fuck their employees by giving them 36 hours a week so they don't have to pay benefits. They are being sued for it right now as well. I believe they have over 1,000 lawsuits against them for all kinds of shit.

all very valid points.....

[winner]

Listen the fact is simple there hasn't been a minimum raise in 9 years. The other fact is at the rate of inflations vs. minimum wage doesn't add up. As I stated before if you factor in minimum wage vs. inflation rate then it should be $9.08 per hour and not $5.15. That's a huge difference. Democrats eventually wanted to get it up to $7.15 or $7.25, but over time not right away.

Now let's take a company like Wal-Mart who I believe pays more than minimum wage, but they fuck their employees by giving them 36 hours a week so they don't have to pay benefits. They are being sued for it right now as well. I believe they have over 1,000 lawsuits against them for all kinds of shit.

Can't stand Wal-mart myself, but if it's SO shitty to work there, why do they always turn away applicants at new stores? Read some info on that company and see that job openings to job applications is insane. People want/need jobs and they provide them. People also know going in what the job pays and what the benefits are/aren't. Yet they whine like a typical lefty when they aren't "given" more. If anything, Wal-Mart should be bitched at for starting their expansion under the guise of "American'made" products and switched to just about 100% imported products to keep costs down.

[TwoTonTony]

i am applying as a wal-mart greeter....how much can i expect to make??? or should i get target involved and see if i can get a bidding war??? if someone offers $6.00 plus a free popcorn per shift i am there!!!!

[BettorsChat]

Can't stand Wal-mart myself, but if it's SO shitty to work there, why do they always turn away applicants at new stores? Read some info on that company and see that job openings to job applications is insane. People want/need jobs and they provide them. People also know going in what the job pays and what the benefits are/aren't. Yet they whine like a typical lefty when they aren't "given" more. If anything, Wal-Mart should be bitched at for starting their expansion under the guise of "American'made" products and switched to just about 100% imported products to keep costs down.

You assume a lot

Do you know for a fact that everyone applying at wal-mart knows about the shitty benefits? And I would imagine that people take jobs there, because its better than working at a burger joint. Also theres always job openings, because wal-mart could have a high turnover rate due to the fact of the bs on benefits or, because they have so many stores and just keep opening more.

Why do you think wal-mart has its own in house legal council?

Also wal-mart continually goes to companies trying to get the products for less and less or else. You are right about made in America bs though.

Many companies in this Country outsource there products to china etc, which IMO is bs. No television is made in the USA anymore and hasn't been for years. All of this is more political bs.

[TwoTonTony]

[QUOTE=BettorsChat]You assume a lot

Do you know for a fact that everyone applying at wal-mart knows about the shitty benefits? And I would imagine that people take jobs there, because its better than working at a burger joint. Also theres always job openings, because wal-mart could have a high turnover rate due to the fact of the bs on benefits or, because they have so many stores and just keep opening more.

Why do you think wal-mart has its own in house legal council?

Also wal-mart continually goes to companies trying to get the products for less and less or else. You are right about made in America bs though.


companies do not by and large outsource things for political BS...I do not know on a larger scale (big biz), but at small biz level we did it to be competitive.....We did all assmebly here, but i bought many parts in chins, russia and taiwan.....It allowed me to be competitive....I could not afford to pay 20-30% more for the same stuff.......That was our profit margin give or take a few points......When you are a bootstrapping organization every dollar counts....Would i like to keep the work here??? you bet your ass i would....But every person doing anything demands $15-$30 per hour......The fact is that it has turned into a global economy....Many of these same countries who are doing things cheaply will face the same dilemmas when they become industrialized......

When you own a business it is about profit...without that there is no employees, penisons, community donations, etc.....I know one thing, when i could not sleep late at night because i did not have the money to pay vendors...it was just me and i had to find way.....

I think it is more about $$$ and less about politics......Why can't we make a TV here??? Think how much the price has gone down...Do you know the margins??? Pretty thin i imagine......With all factory workers getting $20-40 per hour packages it is impossible to compete......period....has been for quite a long time...I do not think there has been an american TV in 30 years...

[BettorsChat]

[QUOTE=TwoTonTony]

You assume a lot

Do you know for a fact that everyone applying at wal-mart knows about the shitty benefits? And I would imagine that people take jobs there, because its better than working at a burger joint. Also theres always job openings, because wal-mart could have a high turnover rate due to the fact of the bs on benefits or, because they have so many stores and just keep opening more.

Why do you think wal-mart has its own in house legal council?

Also wal-mart continually goes to companies trying to get the products for less and less or else. You are right about made in America bs though.


companies do not by and large outsource things for political BS...I do not know on a larger scale (big biz), but at small biz level we did it to be competitive.....We did all assmebly here, but i bought many parts in chins, russia and taiwan.....It allowed me to be competitive....I could not afford to pay 20-30% more for the same stuff.......That was our profit margin give or take a few points......When you are a bootstrapping organization every dollar counts....Would i like to keep the work here??? you bet your ass i would....But every person doing anything demands $15-$30 per hour......The fact is that it has turned into a global economy....Many of these same countries who are doing things cheaply will face the same dilemmas when they become industrialized......

When you own a business it is about profit...without that there is no employees, penisons, community donations, etc.....I know one thing, when i could not sleep late at night because i did not have the money to pay vendors...it was just me and i had to find way.....

I think it is more about $$$ and less about politics......Why can't we make a TV here??? Think how much the price has gone down...Do you know the margins??? Pretty thin i imagine......With all factory workers getting $20-40 per hour packages it is impossible to compete......period....has been for quite a long time...I do not think there has been an american TV in 30 years...

Tony who do you think gives those big campaign contributions to be able to outsource and have their products made overseas? The 2 go hand in hand.

[meaiken]

Fuck raising the minimum wage. I am not for big business, but seriously. Who makes Min wage??? KIDS mostly. What the fuck does a 16 year old kid need to make $9 an hour for???? I mad $4.25 when I was 16 and that was only 13 years ago.

If the bread winner of the family makes min wage, then there is a serious problem in that family.

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[BettorsChat]

Fuck raising the minimum wage. I am not for big business, but seriously. Who makes Min wage??? KIDS mostly. What the fuck does a 16 year old kid need to make $9 an hour for???? I mad $4.25 when I was 16 and that was only 13 years ago.

If the bread winner of the family makes min wage, then there is a serious problem in that family.

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That assumption that kids only make minimum wage is so wrong.

[Spearit]

I believe the raising of the minimun wage would undoubtedly fuel inflation across the board. I believe the wage should be upped in increments so as to provide incentives- this also means their job skills would need to increase as well. If one wishes to stay at the present position- then they can and receive the same pay. However, if a worker shows a propensity for moving up- give the pay and the increase duties. Win-Win situation.

[BackDoorCvr]

That assumption that kids only make minimum wage is so wrong.

OK, let's stop the political pandering and start dealing with reality. According to the Employment Policies Institute, the average family affected by the minimum wage has an annual income of $38,000 because seven out of 10 minimum-wage workers live with a working spouse or relatives.

Furthermore, the average income of minimum-wage workers increases by 30% within one year of employment on the basis of learned skills. Which is why any artificial barriers to learning those skills — which is what the minimum wage is — represents a cruel hoax to the working poor. Wage increases due to increased skill levels explain the remarkable fact that only 2.8% of workers over the age of 30 are receiving the minimum wage.

[TwoTonTony]

[QUOTE=BettorsChat]

Tony who do you think gives those big campaign contributions to be able to outsource and have their products made overseas? The 2 go hand in hand.

Like i said before maybe in big business, but many of us use overseas sources to be more profitable.....i am speaking for companies that are small $1 million - $80 million in annual revenue.....I assure you that my reasons and many of my cohorts reason is purely to make $$$, not political....I can not comment on the big lobbyists, which i am sure has alot to do with some of the big deals.....but be real....it still comes down to money....Always has and always will.......It has really become a global economy.....Speaking of products not made here anymore is garments such as t-shirts......used to be made in the carolinas and now honduras, dominican, etc....

China has also become a huge player in the dress/rags business as of December of 04'....that is when the government lifted the limits on those goods to enter our ports......Do you notice how cheap dress shirts have become...I mean you can buy a top of the line fitted Van Huesen for $19.00.....3 years ago they were $35ish

I visited a factory in mexico city (their largest undergarment facility), expecting to see a guy with 1 arm feeding wool into the spools....What i saw amazed me...Armed guards at the door, but an amazing fully automated factory that ran 24/7/365 days a year....All the machinery was from The US and some even from my hometown......The efficiency is hard to beat....Our garment factories were so outdated compared to theirs it was comical......Also they had hundreds of seamstresses doing the finish work (no it was not a sweat shop)...i do not know the wages but it seemed a relaxed atmosphere similar to ours.....We were doing licensing with Disney, but believe it or not, they continuosly fucked up the sizing, since their fabric cuts were so different....In fact it ended up costing us the contract......But it ever since NAFTA this is what is going on.....There is an awful lot of new prosperty in Mexico, but there is tremendous poverty as well.....A larger divide than ever.......

LSU...this is where the infamous Diet Coke ice was chewed!!!

[cd329]

wow am truly amazed how some of you still dont get it about the minimum wage.
Every single thing in society has gone up the last 7 years, gas, food, stamps, cars, cable t.v.,health care, drugs, lawyers etc etc etc. also am sure all posters on this board have seen their paychecks go up.
So to sit here and say the people working the lowest, most undesireable jobs, shouldnt have their pay checks rise the same way everything else in society is mind boggling. Nobodys saying a minimum wage job should be getting paid 25 bucks an hour, but there pay shouldnt be frozen in the past.
I dont know if some of you are just that greedy or you just dont realize prices of everything have gone up. All i keep hearing is how a pay rise to the minimum wage workers would kill business, that is such a bullshit excuse and really its just plain old now. Am sure that almost every small business in America has had to raise their prices of products in the last 7 years because of their own rising expenses. So to say that the people working for all these small businesses cant increase their workers salaries to actually be worth what their salaries were 7 years ago is just hog wash. Seems like alot of you just want the minimum wage to be frozen at 5.15 no matter how many years go by. Its pretty funny.
Just remember this the next time you are looking for a raise from your employer.
Wake up people, we are not a third world country.

[TwoTonTony]

wow am truly amazed how some of you still dont get it about the minimum wage.
Every single thing in society has gone up the last 7 years, gas, food, stamps, cars, cable t.v.,health care, drugs, lawyers etc etc etc. also am sure all posters on this board have seen their paychecks go up.
So to sit here and say the people working the lowest, most undesireable jobs, shouldnt have their pay checks rise the same way everything else in society is mind boggling. Nobodys saying a minimum wage job should be getting paid 25 bucks an hour, but there pay shouldnt be frozen in the past.
I dont know if some of you are just that greedy or you just dont realize prices of everything have gone up. All i keep hearing is how a pay rise to the minimum wage workers would kill business, that is such a bullshit excuse and really its just plain old now. Am sure that almost every small business in America has had to raise their prices of products in the last 7 years because of their own rising expenses. So to say that the people working for all these small businesses cant increase their workers salaries to actually be worth what their salaries were 7 years ago is just hog wash. Seems like alot of you just want the minimum wage to be frozen at 5.15 no matter how many years go by. Its pretty funny.
Just remember this the next time you are looking for a raise from your employer.
Wake up people, we are not a third world country.

i think some type of raise is in order.....I just do not know how much....any thoughts???? 7ish???