Paul Ryan is Romneys pick for VP!!!

[Art]

He wants to raise the age of retirement, that would be awesome if my parents were rich and I inherited a bunch of money and never had to work. I'm sure Mitt Romney is all for it.

Yes, people like you who want welfare from government, paid for by hard working taxpayers other than yourself, will not vote for Romney.


However, social security should pay its own way and not be an entitlement funded by taxpayers other than the one getting benefit.

Parasites, who take more from the nation than they give, will vote for Obama. Non-parasites who give more to the nation than they take will vote for Romney. A government, like Obama's, that supports parasites at the expense of non-parasites will increase its parasites while reducing its parasites and thereby gradually degrade the nation. This has happened in Europe and is happening now in the USA. Only Romney can reverse this destruction of the USA.

[ravenmaniac]

I disagree, he won because McCain was shitty, Bush was shitty, and Palin was a fucking disaster.

Exactly right. McCain and Palin was a fucking joke. Obama was the lesser of two evils. His race was not a major factor why he won.

[atolunch]

Obama won because he took the race to the young voters who wanted change. Most of which had only seen a Bush or Clinton President in their lives.

He was innovative and the first Pres candidate to take e-mail, twitter, facebook etc and used it to win the election.

[Art]

Obama won because he took the race to the young voters who wanted change. Most of which had only seen a Bush or Clinton President in their lives.

He was innovative and the first Pres candidate to take e-mail, twitter, facebook etc and used it to win the election.

Obama won with the stupid vote where the youth vote is mostly stupid.

Obama is a Marxist (income redistribution and welfare entitlements to achieve the Marxist goal of "to each according to their need") and socialist (big expanding government with heavy government control of business), which means he is a progressive. This has ruined every nation that has adopted it, and is now ruining Europe and the USA.

Small government with capitalism regulated only to insure full and valid transparency in business transactions is what we need, and is what makes any economy grow rapidly. China is more capitalistic today than the USA.

The stupid vote on which Obama depends does not have a clue as to the above.

[ravenmaniac]

Ryan's tax plan is a fucking joke. The question is how much more $ will you keep under his tax plan. How much more would you have to pay for health care and for the low income who will bear the brunt of Ryan's cuts, how will they make out in Ryan's America. There are 2 ways that the government's budget can effect your budget taxes and spending. More than 80% of gtovernment revenues comes from individual wages and income taxes. The rest comes from corporate taxes and things like excise taxes on gasoline, cigarettes etc. Under Ryan's plan he would cut tax rates and abolish investment taxes to reduce geovernment revenues by $450 billion per year over 10 years. We don't know how his cuts would breaK down by family income levels but the Tax Policy Center has published an estimate based on Ryan's budget passed by the House this year. The federal income tax code, the one highly progressive part of our tax system would become significantly less progressive. Taxes would barely change on low income Americans but the top 1% would see a windfall from the elimination on taxes on most of their investment income. Those making $1 million or more would see an average tax cut of $265,000 and see their after tax income increase by 12.5%. By contrast half of those making between $20,000 and $30,000 would get no tax cut at all.

As for spending Ryan is most famous for his Medicare plan, but if his budget became law tomorrow, the most dramatic changes over the next 10 years would be anything but Medicare. That's because Ryan's long term plan to move Medicare from a defined benefit fee for service system to a defined contriubution system is a really long term plan. It wouldn't begin to take effect until the early 2020s. Ryan slashes deeply but spares defense and Social Security which together account for 40% of the budget. That means that his $4 trillion in cuts come mostly out of health care spending, income security spending and basic government duties. Ryan would spend 16% less than Obama for programs like food stamps and unemployment benefits. He would spend a quarter less on transportation and 13% less per veteran.

What his budget means to your budget depends where you fall on the income ladder. Romney is relieving the richest Americans from some of their duties to paying for the risk protectiuon of the poor and he is asjing some of the poorest Americans to accept less help from the government in exchange for the virtue of independence from government.It is broadly accurate to say that the less you benefit from Ryan's tac cuts the more you would potentially suffer from his spending cuts. Most of Ryan's cuts to government, to offset his deep tax cuts for the rich, fall on the back of the poor.

Romney said he wasn't concerned about the very poor because there is a safet net for them. Well, under Ryan's plan there wouldn't be the same safety net. Ryan's vision is that true freedom means freedom from government dependency and thye poor are somehow richer, in spirit or in literalness, if they take less money from the government. Ryan's budget would have a very predictable outcome, it would make poor families poorer, under the banner of fiscal responsibility.

[Art]

The poor are not paying their fair share - they are sucking money from the economy. About half the people pay zero federal income taxes while the rich (top 5 percent) pay the majority of the federal income tax. Government health programs are wasteful, and together with welfare, are developing a growing class of parasites that take much more than they contribute to the nation. This growing class of parasites are degrading the economy and the nation. Democrats pander to them and get their vote. Unless something is done to stop this parasitic growth it will destroy this nation much more than it has. Marxism attacks capitalism and in robbing from the rich will eventually make everyone poor. Obama become a devout Marxist in Occidental college where his hope for revolution was diverted to a quest for a peaceful political takeover, which obama accomplished.

Hopefully taxes will be cut drastically under Romney/Ryan - hopefully more than you suggest. Hopefully spending will be cut drastically under Romney/Ryan - hopefully more than you suggest.

Both cutting taxes and reducing spending will shift money from government to taxpayers. This reduces the size of government and stimulates the economy.

Parasites thrive on expanding government (increased taxes and increased government spending), while the economy thrives on the opposite.

The Democrats appeal to parasites to get power, and the Democrats (and their supporters) could care less about destroying the economy and nation in the process.

[Watchtower76]

[QUOTE=ravenmaniac;
Ryan's budget would have a very predictable outcome, it would make poor families poorer, under the banner of fiscal responsibility.[/QUOTE]

This quote makes me just so annoyed? Here we are all suppose to feel sad for families that are poor, let me guess they all have cell phones, cable, flat screens, smoke cigs, drink etc. but yet they get paid more by the gov't then work so they all stay hme

Rav question, How do you become POORER under ryans budget?

Please explain taking away $1 or $2 is going to put him further in the hole? How about you save hime $100 a year, what the hell do you think they'd spend it on, sure as shit nothing good.

My point is that this Ryan budget, romney, obama or who ever the F' budget it is, it's not going to change anything for someone making $10k a year, but if you listen to him talk, at least he understands what the hell is going on, at least he will try and takle the budget and voice his opionion.

We are in a world of hurt and i was pretty happy seeing Paul's name as a VP, he's one hell of a speaker, will attack programs that need to be attacked, and hopefully he will help the younger generation for the first time and help us out. All i hear is people bitching about SS/Medicare etc, guess what, i'm putting in $4500 a year into SS every year and i won't get a lick of that, that pisses me off but nothing i can do about it.

Some radical change has to happen and i hope Paul can do it, else the president that said he would lower the budget within 3 years, but instead raised it another 6 trillion will make that probably 12trillion after this final term.

[The Lovedoc]

Romney picks Ryan, the guy who denied Wisconsin workers collective bargaining rights..... I guess Team Wall Street is in place. You can't get more corporate. Interesting strategy.

[Watchtower76]

Romney picks Ryan, the guy who denied Wisconsin workers collective bargaining rights..... I guess Team Wall Street is in place. You can't get more corporate. Interesting strategy.

Your telling me Obama is not on "team wall street"...you got to be shitting me....

Why is our debt increasing, it's giving free money (zero risk) to all the banks so they can prop of the ponzie sch...

Ben bernanke and Tin geithner are the most corrupt indiviudals out there....

Please tell me where all of our debt is getting wasted on? Is it coming back to the avg joe?

And i congratulate Ryan and gov walker on what they did, every state and public employee have recieved to many handouts and it's time for a public/gov't worker to feel the pinch..You must be a public employer lovedoc, cuz guess what the RE-ELECTION walker won again, so who's side is wisconsin on, NOT YOURS....

Ryan has changed this election and Obama is in fear....

[Art]

Romney picks Ryan, the guy who denied Wisconsin workers collective bargaining rights..... I guess Team Wall Street is in place. You can't get more corporate. Interesting strategy.

Government has been subsidizing General Motors for 30 years with tax breaks and other entitlements. This is because of the Union drain of money from (big salaries, expensive retirement and health care plans, etc.), and more recently the bail out of GM which will end up costing taxpayers over 25 billion which will never be paid back - the taxpayers are forced, by Democratic government, to give unions excessive entitlements.

Unions kill any business. Look at the movie 'Waiting for Superman' to see how the teacher unions have ruined public education while making it cost much more than it should.

Unions are Marxist tools to reduce competition and promote poor work performance while parasitically draining a company's or taxpayer's resources.

Hopefully we can get rid of unions one day. This will lower costs of goods and services to benefit all, and maximize productivity, which will increase our standard of living.

Unions lower the standard of living for everyone else but the union.

[BigWeiner]

Ryan's tax plan is a fucking joke.

Couldn't agree more

[trick4]

Government has been subsidizing General Motors for 30 years with tax breaks and other entitlements. This is because of the Union drain of money from (big salaries, expensive retirement and health care plans, etc.), and more recently the bail out of GM which will end up costing taxpayers over 25 billion which will never be paid back - the taxpayers are forced, by Democratic government, to give unions excessive entitlements.

Unions kill any business. Look at the movie 'Waiting for Superman' to see how the teacher unions have ruined public education while making it cost much more than it should.

Unions are Marxist tools to reduce competition and promote poor work performance while parasitically draining a company's or taxpayer's resources.

Hopefully we can get rid of unions one day. This will http://www.bettorschat.com/forums/im...es/bs.giflower costs of goods and services to benefit all, and maximize productivity, which will increase our standard of living.

Unions lower the standard of living for everyone else but the union.

If it was not for the unions there would be no middle class. Also the union familys put alot of their money into the economythat keep other people working you must be one of the wall street brokers that steal the working mans retirement like Romneys great business partners without union wages the non union companys would steal everything They have to give good wages to keep the good workers.

[Art]

If it was not for the unions there would be no middle class. Also the union familys put alot of their money into the economythat keep other people working you must be one of the wall street brokers that steal the working mans retirement like Romneys great business partners without union wages the non union companys would steal everything They have to give good wages to keep the good workers.

Unions are parasites that elect Democrats so that Democrats give unions entitlements (high salaries, great retirement and health care benefits, etc.) denied to the average worker who is not in a union. Union dues pay for Democrats, and Democrats pay back unions - the bail out of General Motors was a bail out of auto worker unions, paid for by taxpayers.

Unions destroy a business by sucking out its money. The USA subsidizes its auto industry to make this up, which means taxpayer money funds the union workers who get this government welfare in addition to exorbitant salaries and benefits.

So why not have every worker in a union? Communism is the unionization of every worker and it destroys any nation that adopts it.

Obama hates the rich, wants to rob from them to give to the poor (just as a union does), but this Marxism eventually makes everyone poor and destroys a nation.

[trick4]

You are so damn stupid look at your first paragraph the unions get WORKERS not people like you that sit on your ass and make money through the stock market better salaries , health care, and retirement. Stupid ass we have familys (kids, Children,wife) that deserve health care and benefits so we can put one our children through college. The reason we have non-union plants because the people who (WORK) there will get nothing that what the CEO's dont take by sitting in their chairs trying figure out how to screw the (WORKERS) to give the money to the ASS SITTERS (YOU) so they can raise (THEIR) salary that is higher than the 700 workers that work in their plant. I don't agree with all the things in the democratic party> BUT they are the only ones that look out for the workers and NOT the stockholders. And while your at it go ahead and ROB the social security (medicare) and everything the sorry union workers put in there and see if you can get it to.May GOD have mercy or sorry ass soul.

[trick4]

Paul Ryan cares about one thing how much money the Koch brothers will pay him to destroy the workers He is perfect for the VP. He will give the Kock brothers (MULTI BILLIONEERS) tax breaks and take money from the (WORKERS) and keep your bird up it shows your class ART