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    Unemployment Tricks: Jobs Claim Made by 'Shrinking' Workforce
    Monday, 06 Feb 2012 10:11 PM

    By Andrew Henry

    Last week, the White House claimed that unemployment dropped for the fifth consecutive month to 8.3 percent — the lowest it has been in nearly three years — after adding 243,000 jobs, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

    But financial experts are saying the figures may have been manipulated — and that the significant drop in employment was because of the fact that the federal agency charged with computing key economic data has significantly decreased the number of Americans in the workforce.

    “If you hold the workforce participation rate constant over the past year, unemployment would be about 8.9 percent instead of 8.3 percent,” GOP economist Matt McDonald of Hamilton Place Strategies said Monday on CNBC’s Squawk Box. "So it is a weird number that is out there, and I think people have to be looking at that carefully.”

    The same Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) report that showed unemployment dropping to 8.3 percent showed total workforce participation — the number of people either working or looking for work — declining by 1.2 million people in one month.

    The unemployment rate is determined by dividing the number of unemployed job-seekers by the total labor force. By reducing the number of workers in the overall workforce, the Obama administration can show actual unemployment dropping, when, in fact, improvement has been marginal at best.

    Many economists feel the official statistics seriously underestimate how bad the unemployment situation really is. They maintain that the key measure is the number of people who would like to have a job, but can’t find one.

    When people retire from the workforce because of the aging of the nation’s population or give up looking for work because of prolonged unemployment, the BLS declares the unemployed person a “discouraged worker.”

    At that point, the BLS lists them as “marginally attached to the workforce,” and they no longer are considered to be part of the nation’s working population.

    Dropping them off the employment calculations keeps the unemployment rate substantially lower than it would be otherwise and has been key to the improvements in the unemployment numbers during the past year.

    Tyler Durden of Zerohedge.com writes: “It appears that the people not in the labor force exploded by an unprecedented record 1.2 million.”

    In fact, Zerohedge notes that BLS is breaking records in claims about the shrinking workforce. The most recent unemployment number was based on the assertion that the entire U.S. workforce has shrunk to a 30-year low.


    An analysis by Joseph Curl of the Washington Times shows the labor force as a percentage of the available population hit 66 percent in October 1988, and remained there throughout the presidency of George H.W. Bush. It then reached 67 percent or better for 40 straight months during President Bill Clinton’s presidency, and was above 66 percent for virtually all of President George W. Bush’s presidency.

    But by the end of President Obama’s first year in office, it had dipped to 64.6 percent, before dipping to just 63.7 percent last month — its lowest point in almost three decades.

    One analyst who is stridently critical of the BLS numbers is TrimTabs.com CEO Charles Biderman. His firm uses what he considers a more modern and timely measurement, actual tax receipts to the IRS, to calculate employment.

    By his firm’s calculations, the economy added only 44,000 jobs in January, not even enough to keep the unemployment rate from growing.

    The BLS numbers "are just guesses,” Biderman tells Newsmax. “I don’t know whether they’re politically motivated or not."

    The White House is doing "cartwheels" over the positive jobs numbers being promulgated from the BLS, the Christian Science Monitor says.

    "These numbers will go up and down in the coming months, and there's still far too many Americans who need a job or need a job that pays better than the one they have now,” President Obama said. “But the economy is growing stronger.”

    BLS spokesman Gary Steinberg tells Newsmax that the bureau publishes its methodologies for calculating the unemployment rate online. While its tweaks its various formulas to keep them up to date, he states there has been no major change in how the rate is calculated in over a decade.

    “The definitions have not changed . . . if someone is not actively looking for work for the four weeks preceding the reference week, they’re not in the labor force,” he says. “That was true years ago, and it’s true today.”


    Read more on Newsmax.com: Unemployment Tricks: Jobs Claim Made by 'Shrinking' Workforce

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    ZeroHedge | On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero is by far the best site everyone should read daily, he has all the facts and if you haven't read their stuff before, then you should start right now. He has more info then CNBC or any other talking head will ever have..

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    • #3
      Thanks Tower...Will certainly do

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      • #4
        Why don't you ever post anything positive? Is there just nothing positive? I'm just curious, because it just seems like some hardcore Republicans are all about how terrible everything is now that Obama is the President, but they weren't posting anything with Bush was in there. I really am curious, not just arguing. Maybe I'm getting totally fooled by reports I read, and really everything is terrible, and if that's the case, I should just short the market.

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        • #5
          What about this article?
          Job openings jump to near a 3-year high - Yahoo! Finance

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BigWeiner View Post
            Why don't you ever post anything positive? Is there just nothing positive? I'm just curious, because it just seems like some hardcore Republicans are all about how terrible everything is now that Obama is the President, but they weren't posting anything with Bush was in there. I really am curious, not just arguing. Maybe I'm getting totally fooled by reports I read, and really everything is terrible, and if that's the case, I should just short the market.
            This is typical GOP bullshit when election time comes around BW. Circulate enough fear and hate in emails and blogs and hope it sticks.

            These guys have come in here crying for days that we're borrowing trillions and increasing the debt and the world is gonna end. I've said it once and I'll say it again to these two. DO YOU REALLY THINK WE'LL PAY CHINA BACK? If we go broke then they'll go broke too. We keep that country and it's population working and making money by all the shit we buy. They aren't gonna disrupt that balance. And what happens in the unlikely event they do want it back? How are they gonna get us to pay it? Not happening. Who gives a fuck how much they lend us?

            Then they try and get the birthing bullshit stirred up again right around election time. Some nutjobs bring this shit up in court and these guys jump on the bandwagon trying to convince people it's something legit. It's a complete non issue even with most the GOP. But it shows just how out of touch they are with the majority of the population because they can't let this die. If it was true, the GOP would have nailed that long ago to bury Obama. They have plenty of time and money to go after this just like they went after CLinton because of his popularity at the time. Keep harping on it and really kiss the election goodbye, just as someone else said on here in another thread.

            Fact is, Obama inherited a pile of shit and slowly we are crawling out of it. If he cured cancer, that wouldn't be good enough for some of these guys. He's definitely not a far left Liberal. He's given in far too much to those jackhole Republican's on a variety of issues. But, he got us out of Iraq, getting us out of Afghanistan, captured and killed Bin Laden, captured and killed Gadhafi and has restored a decent amount of credibility and respectability to the rest of the world for this country. Still though, not good enough.

            KAZ
            Last edited by KazDog; 02-07-2012, 03:01 PM.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by KazDog View Post
              Fact is, Obama inherited a pile of shit and slowly we are crawling out of it.
              KAZ
              thats the bottom line. well said
              Remember The Titans

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mgdog96 View Post
                thats the bottom line. well said
                Where's the evidence of us crawling out of it?

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                • #9
                  Just as always with the libs. Can you even suggest anything in the initial post is erroneous???? Do you even care to???? Thought not....Guess you just can't have an intelligent fact based discussion with a liberal. The facts are the facts and, typically, the responses from the left don't try to disarm or dispute the facts of the matter, they just try to divert the discussion to something not even relevant to the issue at hand. And by the way, I am NOT a Republican. And, fuck you guys, let me have $6 fucking trillion of other peoples money to spend, that will have to be repaid somehow, and I fucking guarantee you that the economy would be a helluva lot better than it is. You guys attacking me for attacking Obama are fucking clueless. All you want to do is suck Obama's dick cause you don't have the intiative to actually dig into what the hell is going on. You really think Obamacare isn't going to break this Country, you really think that with 47% of the people paying NO INCOME TAXES can be overcome by taking everything away from somebody who makes over $200,000, you really think that Eric Holder isn't a racist, murder complicit, piesce of shit, you really think that Obama's two kids are "senior staff aides" so they can spend their ten day vacation ON OUR DIME in South Africa, you really think that Obama has made this a more transparent government, you really think Obama has cut the deficit in half (as per his campaign promises) before the end of his first term, you really think they Fed can continue to increase M1 (money supply) by over 24% a year and that that's not gonna make you fucking poor, you really beleive that the vast majority of the fucking $6 trillion in deficit spending didn't really go to Obama donors and allies as repayment for 2008 and a prepayment for 2012???? Jeez, likely you belive Obama's shit don't stink either.

                  Weiner, since you are a bit more reasonable in your posts, none of this is directed at you, but in answer to your question, HELL YES, I'd be short anything that rolls or folds (your money will soon be worth a fraction of what it is now). Ever hear of the Weimar Republic??? Maybe you should explore what happened there and WHY! Personally, I've been transitioning into PMs since 2006 and my average cost in the AU part is around $875 right now...and it neither rolls nor folds (USD and stocks sure as hell do). Might also take a look at the inflation post.....if you care to try to actually educate yourselves.

                  You can take my posts, investigate some stuff and educate yourselves in maybe some new fields, or you can continue to be made the fools you already are. I don't give a shit...I won't need help from anybody or any givernment when the shit hits the fan...How bout you?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BigWeiner View Post
                    Yeah, Weiner, I'll be happy to address it, Actually, there ARE jobs available and the Heritage Foundation recently relaesed a study on this very issue. In short, people are inherently lazy. We have now made it so easy to stay unemployed, stay home or do whatever, collect unemployment benefits for 99 freaking weeks and since most available jobs aren't high paying, it doesn't take a very lazy MF to decide to sit on his ass instead of working. You cut the UI benefits back to 26 weeks as it was for decades, see how many of these jobs "fill" when the spoiled bums in society start to get...I dunno...HUNGRY.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BigWeiner View Post
                      Why don't you ever post anything positive? Is there just nothing positive? I'm just curious, because it just seems like some hardcore Republicans are all about how terrible everything is now that Obama is the President, but they weren't posting anything with Bush was in there. I really am curious, not just arguing. Maybe I'm getting totally fooled by reports I read, and really everything is terrible, and if that's the case, I should just short the market.
                      Godd question Weiner and I like you so I don't mean to be a smart ass here, but here is my answer. The stuff I post is neither positive nor negative...it is merely factual. The truth, it's said, has no agenda. With all due respect, if you DO believe that things are okay and getting better, yes sir, YOU ARE BEING FOOLED BY REPORTS YOU SEE. And, I was anti-Bush. I don;t give a fuck who is in the WH once he is there. Whoever it is, and the Congress, need to run the Country on the money it HAS...not on the money it borrows. Think about it for a second...Does it REALLY make sense to you that the way out of economic difficulty is to BORROW YOUR WAY OUT??? Would that work for your family's budget??? Didn't really think so.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by umreb78 View Post
                        Just as always with the libs. Can you even suggest anything in the initial post is erroneous???? Do you even care to???? Thought not....Guess you just can't have an intelligent fact based discussion with a liberal. The facts are the facts and, typically, the responses from the left don't try to disarm or dispute the facts of the matter, they just try to divert the discussion to something not even relevant to the issue at hand. And by the way, I am NOT a Republican. And, fuck you guys, let me have $6 fucking trillion of other peoples money to spend, that will have to be repaid somehow, and I fucking guarantee you that the economy would be a helluva lot better than it is. You guys attacking me for attacking Obama are fucking clueless. All you want to do is suck Obama's dick cause you don't have the intiative to actually dig into what the hell is going on. You really think Obamacare isn't going to break this Country, you really think that with 47% of the people paying NO INCOME TAXES can be overcome by taking everything away from somebody who makes over $200,000, you really think that Eric Holder isn't a racist, murder complicit, piesce of shit, you really think that Obama's two kids are "senior staff aides" so they can spend their ten day vacation ON OUR DIME in South Africa, you really think that Obama has made this a more transparent government, you really think Obama has cut the deficit in half (as per his campaign promises) before the end of his first term, you really think they Fed can continue to increase M1 (money supply) by over 24% a year and that that's not gonna make you fucking poor, you really beleive that the vast majority of the fucking $6 trillion in deficit spending didn't really go to Obama donors and allies as repayment for 2008 and a prepayment for 2012???? Jeez, likely you belive Obama's shit don't stink either.

                        Weiner, since you are a bit more reasonable in your posts, none of this is directed at you, but in answer to your question, HELL YES, I'd be short anything that rolls or folds (your money will soon be worth a fraction of what it is now). Ever hear of the Weimar Republic??? Maybe you should explore what happened there and WHY! Personally, I've been transitioning into PMs since 2006 and my average cost in the AU part is around $875 right now...and it neither rolls nor folds (USD and stocks sure as hell do). Might also take a look at the inflation post.....if you care to try to actually educate yourselves.

                        You can take my posts, investigate some stuff and educate yourselves in maybe some new fields, or you can continue to be made the fools you already are. I don't give a shit...I won't need help from anybody or any givernment when the shit hits the fan...How bout you?
                        I think the economy can sustain the damage, so I'm not shorting the market. The National Debt has always flucuated, not to this extreme obviously. Did like when Clinton was President?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by umreb78 View Post
                          Yeah, Weiner, I'll be happy to address it, Actually, there ARE jobs available and the Heritage Foundation recently relaesed a study on this very issue. In short, people are inherently lazy. We have now made it so easy to stay unemployed, stay home or do whatever, collect unemployment benefits for 99 freaking weeks and since most available jobs aren't high paying, it doesn't take a very lazy MF to decide to sit on his ass instead of working. You cut the UI benefits back to 26 weeks as it was for decades, see how many of these jobs "fill" when the spoiled bums in society start to get...I dunno...HUNGRY.
                          I agree with this. I do think we need programs though to help people, just wish they were set up differently.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by umreb78 View Post
                            Godd question Weiner and I like you so I don't mean to be a smart ass here, but here is my answer. The stuff I post is neither positive nor negative...it is merely factual. The truth, it's said, has no agenda. With all due respect, if you DO believe that things are okay and getting better, yes sir, YOU ARE BEING FOOLED BY REPORTS YOU SEE. And, I was anti-Bush. I don;t give a fuck who is in the WH once he is there. Whoever it is, and the Congress, need to run the Country on the money it HAS...not on the money it borrows. Think about it for a second...Does it REALLY make sense to you that the way out of economic difficulty is to BORROW YOUR WAY OUT??? Would that work for your family's budget??? Didn't really think so.
                            Actually yes. If I was in serious debit and I had to borrow from a friend, that would help. We shouldn't have gotten into this debit in the first place, and in my opinion Bush screwed us, and Obama just took over and tried to keep us a float, by borrowing more. Maybe Obama could've borrowed less, but either way the borrowing was happen, the debit was going up regardless of who took over. What would've happened had we not bailed out the banks and cars, we'll never know, but it seems to be working out.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by umreb78 View Post
                              Just as always with the libs. Can you even suggest anything in the initial post is erroneous???? Do you even care to???? Thought not....Guess you just can't have an intelligent fact based discussion with a liberal. The facts are the facts and, typically, the responses from the left don't try to disarm or dispute the facts of the matter, they just try to divert the discussion to something not even relevant to the issue at hand. And by the way, I am NOT a Republican. And, fuck you guys, let me have $6 fucking trillion of other peoples money to spend, that will have to be repaid somehow, and I fucking guarantee you that the economy would be a helluva lot better than it is. You guys attacking me for attacking Obama are fucking clueless. All you want to do is suck Obama's dick cause you don't have the intiative to actually dig into what the hell is going on. You really think Obamacare isn't going to break this Country, you really think that with 47% of the people paying NO INCOME TAXES can be overcome by taking everything away from somebody who makes over $200,000, you really think that Eric Holder isn't a racist, murder complicit, piesce of shit, you really think that Obama's two kids are "senior staff aides" so they can spend their ten day vacation ON OUR DIME in South Africa, you really think that Obama has made this a more transparent government, you really think Obama has cut the deficit in half (as per his campaign promises) before the end of his first term, you really think they Fed can continue to increase M1 (money supply) by over 24% a year and that that's not gonna make you fucking poor, you really beleive that the vast majority of the fucking $6 trillion in deficit spending didn't really go to Obama donors and allies as repayment for 2008 and a prepayment for 2012???? Jeez, likely you belive Obama's shit don't stink either.

                              Weiner, since you are a bit more reasonable in your posts, none of this is directed at you, but in answer to your question, HELL YES, I'd be short anything that rolls or folds (your money will soon be worth a fraction of what it is now). Ever hear of the Weimar Republic??? Maybe you should explore what happened there and WHY! Personally, I've been transitioning into PMs since 2006 and my average cost in the AU part is around $875 right now...and it neither rolls nor folds (USD and stocks sure as hell do). Might also take a look at the inflation post.....if you care to try to actually educate yourselves.

                              You can take my posts, investigate some stuff and educate yourselves in maybe some new fields, or you can continue to be made the fools you already are. I don't give a shit...I won't need help from anybody or any givernment when the shit hits the fan...How bout you?
                              Educate myself? In my eyes you're a fanatical lunatic. The last thing I would do is think that something you post is educational. Most of what you spew is blown out your ass or regurgitated bias based on bullshit. You come on here posting shit the majority don't read or give two shits about. The majority of your posts get no replies. Post something that isn't a biased piece of garbage written by a reputable source and maybe you'll get an modicum of respect. Your "sky is falling" song and dance is old and fortunately people of your ilk are in the minority.

                              Facts are facts and there isn't one thing I wrote above that isn't factual. Who are we repaying and when? We're NOT. And yeah, people making over $200k are having everything taken away from them aren't they? What a crock of shit. Try making them pay their fair share of the taxes that ALL of the middle class pays. Poor bastards get everything taken away from them. Those rich folk sure are hurting aren't they?

                              And yes I do believe every person in this fucking country needs health care. That is what's breaking us. The fact that they don't. Not the fact that someone is trying to make sure it happens. Talk about being OK with sucking on the gov't teet.
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