Obama's Islamic agenda

[baseballdave]

You cant be cured Dave, you are a fag, and always will be

not bad for a BUTT cake lover who shits pretzels !!!

[husker]

snopes.com: Muslim Demonstration

these people should have been arrested and thrown in jail, and i'm sure average muslems would agree. there has to be less tolerance for people enciting violence.

[musclemann]

So u get an article from the guy who is leading the CONSERVATIVE movement to bring minorities into conservatism. Why would I even attempt a to comment on his article. It is the usual junk

What the fuck do u think he is gonna say about obama? You guys fall for it like its gospel every single time.

The guy writes his opinion. Gee I wonder what a far right conservatives opinion is gonna be. It might as well be jman writing the article

jeez you guys have any more conspiracy posts? This gets funnier daily.................Have your fun I guess I certainly took my shots gwb while he was in there.

[Jamaicanman]

these people should have been arrested and thrown in jail, and i'm sure average muslems would agree. there has to be less tolerance for people enciting violence.

What adds to the sentiments is the fact that you don't hear the "majority" or muslims condemning these actions. You have a few, but the masses must be making the message heard. Until then , you will continue to have these opinions of Islam.


Several on here have attempted to make the point that the hijackers on 9/11 were in the minority and also hijacked the religion. So then why isn't EVERY muslim who has had th eir religion hijacked outraged, helping authorities, and demonstrating non stop?

[husker]

What adds to the sentiments is the fact that you don't hear the "majority" or muslims condemning these actions. You have a few, but the masses must be making the message heard. Until then , you will continue to have these opinions of Islam.


Several on here have attempted to make the point that the hijackers on 9/11 were in the minority and also hijacked the religion. So then why isn't EVERY muslim who has had th eir religion hijacked outraged, helping authorities, and demonstrating non stop?

probably for the same reason that all christians aren't protesting when a abortion clinic is bombed or people are carrying the same incitefull signs. the KKK did a lot of bad things with god on their side. there is a LONG list of bad things that were done for religion without that religion protesting.

people should talk out against ANY acts like these, but they don't. all i am saying is why single out all muslems now?

[Jamaicanman]

probably for the same reason that all christians aren't protesting when a abortion clinic is bombed or people are carrying the same incitefull signs. the KKK did a lot of bad things with god on their side. there is a LONG list of bad things that were done for religion without that religion protesting.

people should talk out against ANY acts like these, but they don't. all i am saying is why single out all muslems now?

IMO, and I know I will be blasted, but the differences are:

KKK are pretty much a thing of the past, more regional, and not an international organization. Nor is it an accepted organization like Islam.

Like it or not, agree with it or not, but there is a relatively widespread anti-muslim wave. So if I am practicing that religion, and the widespread perception is incorrect, shouldn't I be screaming at the top of my lungs?

Abortion doc killings, or other acts in the name of Christianity pale in numbers imo. How many suicide bombing killings have happened in the name of Christ? Compare that to killings in the name of Islam. Which would you say is more radicalized?

I realize there will be acts of violence disguised under the religious banner, but do you really not see a difference in numbers, intensity and world wide reach?

[husker]

IMO, and I know I will be blasted, but the differences are:

KKK are pretty much a thing of the past, more regional, and not an international organization. Nor is it an accepted organization like Islam.

Like it or not, agree with it or not, but there is a relatively widespread anti-muslim wave. So if I am practicing that religion, and the widespread perception is incorrect, shouldn't I be screaming at the top of my lungs?

Abortion doc killings, or other acts in the name of Christianity pale in numbers imo. How many suicide bombing killings have happened in the name of Christ? Compare that to killings in the name of Islam. Which would you say is more radicalized?

I realize there will be acts of violence disguised under the religious banner, but do you really not see a difference in numbers, intensity and world wide reach?

the "wide spread anti-muslem wave" you talk about will only lead to more people being radicalized. isn't it just better to go after the real radical groups, not throw every muslem in the same group?

the world is a completely different place now than 50 years ago and more. there were GREAT restrictions on how things could go international back then because of technilogical advances.

9 abortion clinic employees have been killed (from 1993-1998, 1 in 2009) and since 1977 in the United States and Canada there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers. since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid. is this as many killings? no, but NO murders should be acceptable. the Provisional IRA was responsible for the deaths of 1,824 people during the Troubles up to 2001. This figure represents 48.4 percent of the total fatalities in the conflict.

how many people were killed in the crusades (christians) in the name of religion?

these are ALL wrong! saying one is worse than another because they kill more people isn't a excuse in my oppinion.

why all the hatred against muslems after 9/11, but nobody was very upset by the same things have been going on against israel for years?

[husker]

IMO, and I know I will be blasted, but the differences are:

i don't "blast" people that post different oppinions as long as they are thought out and make you think. it's the same old partisan talking points a couple people always use in their posts that bother me. those people bring NOTHING to this forum but arguing and name calling because people get fustrated with them. i would rather DISCUSS something with someone that has a different oppinion than mine. that's just the very competitive side of me.

[Jamaicanman]

the "wide spread anti-muslem wave" you talk about will only lead to more people being radicalized. isn't it just better to go after the real radical groups, not throw every muslem in the same group?

the world is a completely different place now than 50 years ago and more. there were GREAT restrictions on how things could go international back then because of technilogical advances.

9 abortion clinic employees have been killed (from 1993-1998, 1 in 2009) and since 1977 in the United States and Canada there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers. since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid. is this as many killings? no, but NO murders should be acceptable. the Provisional IRA was responsible for the deaths of 1,824 people during the Troubles up to 2001. This figure represents 48.4 percent of the total fatalities in the conflict.

how many people were killed in the crusades (christians) in the name of religion?

these are ALL wrong! saying one is worse than another because they kill more people isn't a excuse in my oppinion.

why all the hatred against muslems after 9/11, but nobody was very upset by the same things have been going on against israel for years?

Do you see the flip side to your first paragraph argument? That people will be radicalized b/c an anti-muslim wave might be a factor in the mosque issue. Couldn't the same argument be made th at many could be radicalized after seeing a mosque erected after the attacks. In theory, could lead to more attacks as radical muslims could see it as a "victory". I think this has the same chance as your theory.

I think it is a bit extreme to go back to the crusades when discussing whether or not people could/would speak out. Is it an example of religious fanaticism (sp)? Yes, but not on point with the topic of speaking out against extremeism imo.

[Jamaicanman]

i don't "blast" people that post different oppinions as long as they are thought out and make you think. it's the same old partisan talking points a couple people always use in their posts that bother me. those people bring NOTHING to this forum but arguing and name calling because people get fustrated with them. i would rather DISCUSS something with someone that has a different oppinion than mine. that's just the very competitive side of me.

I didn't necessarily mean you blasting but I know the gang who will read and not comprehend the example and then write that I either support the KKK or that I don't think they did anything wrong. Matter of time. Watch.

[husker]

I know the gang who will read and not comprehend the example and then write that I either support the KKK or that I don't think they did anything wrong. Matter of time. Watch.

that's who most of my post was dirested at.

[husker]

Do you see the flip side to your first paragraph argument? That people will be radicalized b/c an anti-muslim wave might be a factor in the mosque issue. Couldn't the same argument be made th at many could be radicalized after seeing a mosque erected after the attacks. In theory, could lead to more attacks as radical muslims could see it as a "victory". I think this has the same chance as your theory.

I think it is a bit extreme to go back to the crusades when discussing whether or not people could/would speak out. Is it an example of religious fanaticism (sp)? Yes, but not on point with the topic of speaking out against extremeism imo.

i don't see how building a mosque CLOSE, not at ground zero like was first reported (do you think that was done on pourpous?), is as big of a deal as people are making it. as many radicals that would see it as a "victory", there are MANY more regular muslems that would see it as a example of a free country and how govt's should be all over the world.

don't you think people should be more upset that NOTHING has been built on the site in 10 years? isn't that a "victory" for the radicals?

the crusades was in referance to your numbers of people killed in the name of religion justification, not speaking out.

[Jamaicanman]

I have never posted ONCE that there isn't the RIGHT to build it there. I question the motives, but more importantly, the wisdom of it. In my opinion, it's a no win. Build it and the vast majority of people will be offended. Add in the huge possibility of vandalism which will add to radicalization and victimization. Don't build it and it will be "poor Islam". So I don't see any good coming from it.

I agree about where are the WTC buildings.

I don't think building a mosque anywhere in the US is going to be an example for other countries. How do you think a working muslim woman in the US would fair overseas?

[KazDog]

i don't see how building a mosque CLOSE, not at ground zero like was first reported (do you think that was done on pourpous?), is as big of a deal as people are making it. as many radicals that would see it as a "victory", there are MANY more regular muslems that would see it as a example of a free country and how govt's should be all over the world.

don't you think people should be more upset that NOTHING has been built on the site in 10 years? isn't that a "victory" for the radicals?

the crusades was in referance to your numbers of people killed in the name of religion justification, not speaking out.

Good points. I agree...

[ctt8410]

Some good points amongst the bickering. My feelings are similar to those I had when the NRA Convention was held in Denver right after Columbine. I'm all for someone's rights, but just have some common sense. Neither group should have been surprised by the backlash.