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    Re: Jobs Picture Worsens With 131,000 Losses; 9.5% Rate
    Why I'm Not Hiring

    When you add it all up, it costs $74,000 to put $44,000 in Sally's pocket and to give her $12,000 in benefits.

    By MICHAEL P. FLEISCHER

    With unemployment just under 10% and companies sitting on their cash, you would think that sooner or later job growth would take off. I think it's going to be later—much later. Here's why.

    Meet Sally (not her real name; details changed to preserve privacy). Sally is a terrific employee, and she happens to be the median person in terms of base pay among the 83 people at my little company in New Jersey, where we provide audio systems for use in educational, commercial and industrial settings. She's been with us for over 15 years. She's a high school graduate with some specialized training. She makes $59,000 a year—on paper. In reality, she makes only $44,000 a year because $15,000 is taken from her thanks to various deductions and taxes, all of which form the steep, sad slope between gross and net pay.


    Daniel Henninger discusses how Robert Rubin and Alan Greenspan agree that Americans should send more of their paychecks to Washington. Also, Fannie and Freddie ask for more cash within weeks of an Obama pledge to end taxpayer rescues.

    Before that money hits her bank, it is reduced by the $2,376 she pays as her share of the medical and dental insurance that my company provides.

    And then the government takes its due. She pays $126 for state unemployment insurance, $149 for disability insurance and $856 for Medicare. That's the small stuff. New Jersey takes $1,893 in income taxes. The federal government gets $3,661 for Social Security and another $6,250 for income tax withholding. The roughly $13,000 taken from her by various government entities means that some 22% of her gross pay goes to Washington or Trenton. She's lucky she doesn't live in New York City, where the toll would be even higher.

    Employing Sally costs plenty too. My company has to write checks for $74,000 so Sally can receive her nominal $59,000 in base pay. Health insurance is a big, added cost: While Sally pays nearly $2,400 for coverage, my company pays the rest—$9,561 for employee/spouse medical and dental. We also provide company-paid life and other insurance premiums amounting to $153. Altogether, company-paid benefits add $9,714 to the cost of employing Sally.

    Then the federal and state governments want a little something extra.

    They take $56 for federal unemployment coverage, $149 for disability insurance, $300 for workers' comp and $505 for state unemployment insurance. Finally, the feds make me pay $856 for Sally's Medicare and $3,661 for her Social Security.

    When you add it all up, it costs $74,000 to put $44,000 in Sally's pocket and to give her $12,000 in benefits. Bottom line: Governments impose a 33% surtax on Sally's job each year.

    Because my company has been conscripted by the government and forced to serve as a tax collector, we have lost control of a big chunk of our cost structure. Tax increases, whether cloaked as changes in unemployment or disability insurance, Medicare increases or in any other form can dramatically alter our financial situation. With government spending and deficits growing as fast as they have been, you know that more tax increases are coming—for my company, and even for Sally too.

    Companies have also been pressed into serving as providers of health insurance. In a saner world, health insurance would be something that individuals buy for themselves and their families, just as they do with auto insurance. Now, adding to the insanity, there is ObamaCare.

    Every year, we negotiate a renewal to our health coverage. This year, our provider demanded a 28% increase in premiums—for a lesser plan. This is in part a tax increase that the federal government has co-opted insurance providers to collect. We had never faced an increase anywhere near this large; in each of the last two years, the increase was under 10%.

    To offset tax increases and steepening rises in health-insurance premiums, my company needs sustainably higher profits and sales—something unlikely in this "summer of recovery." We can't pass the additional costs onto our customers, because the market is too tight and we'd lose sales. Only governments can raise prices repeatedly and pretend there will be no consequences.

    And even if the economic outlook were more encouraging, increasing revenues is always uncertain and expensive. As much as I might want to hire new salespeople, engineers and marketing staff in an effort to grow, I would be increasing my company's vulnerability to government decisions to raise taxes, to policies that make health insurance more expensive, and to the difficulties of this economic environment.

    A life in business is filled with uncertainties, but I can be quite sure that every time I hire someone my obligations to the government go up. From where I sit, the government's message is unmistakable: Creating a new job carries a punishing price..


    Mr. Fleischer is president of Bogen Communications Inc. in Ramsey, N.J.

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    Dennis Prager had this man on his show today. Dennis Prager should be this countries next President. The Dems in BC will all make this a fun thread.
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    • #3
      Let me tell you something, Billy...
      Why don't you outsource those 83 jobs to India? There's plenty over there who can build audio systems for use in educational, commercial and industrial settings @ $.23/Hr . This will save you over $6million a year. While you're at it why not pack your family up and move to India also. If you weren't turning a profit you wouldn't be employing 83 people. Asshole!
      Last edited by Spark; 08-10-2010, 07:42 AM.

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      • #4
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        • #5
          Obama overtures to business fall flat

          WASHINGTON – Labeled antibusiness by Republicans and some corporate chiefs, President Barack Obama mounted a campaign to show he wasn't. But his charm offensive has hit a rocky patch.

          Business leaders gripe about burdensome new financial and health care regulations, what they see as unfriendly tax policies and vast government spending. They were put off by Obama's harsh depiction of "fat cat bankers" and "reckless practices," a label he applied both to Wall Street and to oil-spill giant BP.

          Among the Obama policy detractors: JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon, who supported Obama's presidential bid but actively opposed his financial regulation overhaul. Not surprisingly, Dimon was not on the 400-strong guest list for the bill-signing.

          White House aides dispute an antibusiness bias, noting that corporate profits are up 65 percent from two years ago. "The stakes are too high for us to be working against each other," top presidential advisers Rahm Emanuel and Valerie Jarrett wrote to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

          Reaching out to big business, Obama named more than a dozen top CEOs to a presidential Export Council, revived a Bush administration free-trade pact with South Korea and stumped aggressively for cutting taxes and increasing loans for small businesses. But it is noticeable that not a single former corporate executive is in his Cabinet or among his top economic advisers.

          Friday's dismal jobs report, showing unemployment stuck at 9.5 percent, further underscored the need for government and private sector cooperation to produce jobs.

          Still, Obama has nurtured "an increasingly hostile environment for investment and job creation," says Verizon CEO Ivan Seidenberg, chairman of the Business Roundtable. Thomas Donohue, who heads the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, sees a "cumulative job-killing impact of over-regulation" under Obama.

          "The truth is that not even the Franklin Roosevelt administration was as hostile to and ignorant about free enterprise as this administration is," declared magazine publisher and one-time GOP presidential contender Steve Forbes.

          So far, Senate Republicans — echoing some of the same antibusiness complaints — have been able to block Obama's small-business jobs bill, even though small business is a traditional core GOP constituency. Republicans claim the bill is misguided.

          "This should be as American as apple pie," Obama told a Democratic fundraiser in Austin, Texas, on Monday. "And yet we can't get it moving through the Senate." He speculated that Republicans were blocking the bill because they didn't want to do anything to help him and were "thinking about the next election instead of the next generation."

          But Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky shot back in a statement, "For more than a year and a half, the president and his Democrat allies on Capitol Hill have pushed an antibusiness, anti-jobs agenda on the American people in the form of one massive government intrusion after another."

          The current adversarial climate is being aggravated by November's midterm elections. Both parties recognize that job creation has not been strong enough to push down an unemployment rate long hovering near 10 percent. And both recognize the vital role to be played by small businesses, which account for two out of every three jobs.

          The new financial overhaul law — while not going as far as some Democrats wanted — and other new regulations along with the prospect of higher taxes irritated many financial and corporate leaders "and they've moved away from Obama," said James Thurber, a political scientist at American University.

          "Certainly, the campaign money has migrated away from the Democrats. And Wall Street will go with whomever helps them out the most," Thurber said.

          Obama must weigh whether he wants to anger bankers anew when filling the top job at the new Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection, created in the financial overhaul.

          Consumer advocates and labor groups want him to pick Harvard law professor Elizabeth Warren, who now chairs the congressional oversight panel scrutinizing bank bailouts. But she has little support within the financial community and nominating her would risk a big Senate confirmation fight.

          Of course, not all business leaders are negative and many have offered words of support.

          UPS chief executive Scott Davis said Obama's goal of doubled exports in five years would help "foster engagement in the global economy for small and large businesses." And Ford CEO Alan Mulally said Obama recognizes that "for exports to grow we must ensure that market access for manufactured goods remains at the center of U.S. trade policy."

          Both Davis and Mulally are members of Obama's new export panel. (TEAMSTER COMPANIES? SHOCKING!!)

          Other CEOs have expressed frustration, not just with Obama but with stalemate in Washington.

          Jeff Immelt, CEO of General Electric, complained that "government and entrepreneurs are not in sync." He also decried lack of progress in formulating energy policy. "Our policy is uncertainty ... I'd say status quo for this country is a losing hand."

          Obama brought former President Bill Clinton — generally seen as business-friendly — and Berkshire Hathaway CEO Warren Buffett to the White House to discuss job creation. The billionaire investor from Omaha supported Obama in the 2008 election but has since been sometimes critical of Obama's handling of both the financial crisis and the Gulf oil spill.

          While Obama says small businesses will "lead this recovery," the National Small Business Association recently issued a report saying that more small businesses are unable to get financing than at any time over the past 17 years. Unless they can get the loans they need "we will continue to see high unemployment," said NSBA President Todd McCracken.

          Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a former Congressional Budget Office director who was 2008 GOP presidential candidate John McCain's top economic adviser, said some of Obama's economic overtures have merit, such as his push for doubling U.S. exports and vow to move ahead on the South Korea trade agreement.

          But, he said, "I think Republicans are going to be skeptical until they see real action." Holtz-Eakin said "the business community's dismay" with Obama is driven by a sense that "he's saying one thing and dead set on doing another."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by jcheckers View Post
            Let me tell you something, Billy...
            Why don't you outsource those 83 jobs to India? There's plenty over there who can build audio systems for use in educational, commercial and industrial settings @ $.23/Hr . This will save you over $6million a year. While you're at it why not pack your family up and move to India also. If you weren't turning a profit you wouldn't be employing 83 people. Asshole!
            And that would help the US economy how?
            Sadly many US companies have done this very thing, due to the high taxes imposed on them. This is what we need to correct as a country. Not insuring lazy uneducated fucks that are too lazy to work.
            Last edited by Spark; 08-10-2010, 08:39 AM.
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            • #7
              Spark ... I know why you are really not hiring

              "Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant'
              is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Lsufan View Post
                Spark ... I know why you are really not hiring

                You bastage

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                • #9
                  Damn am I glad to see you Spark.I have been worried about you.After seeing that pic of the "Guys" and you were missing I thought Jimmy might have eaten you

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jcheckers View Post
                    Let me tell you something, Billy...
                    Why don't you outsource those 83 jobs to India? There's plenty over there who can build audio systems for use in educational, commercial and industrial settings @ $.23/Hr . This will save you over $6million a year. While you're at it why not pack your family up and move to India also. If you weren't turning a profit you wouldn't be employing 83 people. Asshole!
                    Exactly and our own Government has allowed outsourcing so much that it's been hurting our own economy for years. This Country used to be a manufacturer instead of mostly an importer. And it's going to get worse when the Supreme Court allows companies to donate as much monies as they want to candidates, because they know those candidates are going to vote for what benefits the company. It's happening with Judges and the next wave is going to be worse.

                    We also needed a public health care option from the Government, because as this guy said premiums are going up but coverage is going down. The insurance companies are not going to reduce costs even though they are getting 30+ million new customers. Hell my insurance went up every year and I had only got $3 in benefits. I wonder how much it's going up next time because of all my bills.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BettorsChat View Post
                      Exactly and our own Government has allowed outsourcing so much that it's been hurting our own economy for years.
                      Rheem closed a plant here in Georgia that let 600 people go and now are building not the first but second plant in Mexico It happens so much and most people don't even realize it man. Makes me sick that the govenment is forcing people to do this

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by vols fan View Post
                        Rheem closed a plant here in Georgia that let 600 people go and now are building not the first but second plant in Mexico It happens so much and most people don't even realize it man. Makes me sick that the govenment is forcing people to do this
                        What sucks is what is the answer? Penalize for shipping jobs? Dangle incentives in front of corps to keep jobs in US? With all the regulations, union wages, shareholder obligations, etc, it has literally turned into a no brainer for these places. And with the way the world has shrunk, having companies overseas isn't as cost prohibituve as it was.

                        I just don't know what the answer can be. By the time the US gets into more green energy, we will be behind everyone. So that will be cheaper to import then to manufacture. The US is now a more service-oriented economy.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BettorsChat View Post
                          Exactly and our own Government has allowed outsourcing so much that it's been hurting our own economy for years. This Country used to be a manufacturer instead of mostly an importer. And it's going to get worse when the Supreme Court allows companies to donate as much monies as they want to candidates, because they know those candidates are going to vote for what benefits the company. It's happening with Judges and the next wave is going to be worse.

                          We also needed a public health care option from the Government, because as this guy said premiums are going up but coverage is going down. The insurance companies are not going to reduce costs even though they are getting 30+ million new customers. Hell my insurance went up every year and I had only got $3 in benefits. I wonder how much it's going up next time because of all my bills.

                          I have no sympathy for these whiny, crybaby business owners who believe because they own a business are entitled to become rich off the backs of their American employees who can't even afford to send their children to college. Like I said, if they weren't turning a profit they wouldn't be in business...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jamaicanman View Post
                            Dangle incentives in front of corps to keep jobs in US?
                            Like the "We will give you $5,000 for every person you hire" bullshit they came up with.


                            Lets see.Give me $5,000 for me to lose $15,000 on paying someone I don't need
                            I'm a dumb redneck and I can figure it out

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                            • #15
                              Obama just came to Milwaukee to tout a battery company that makes "advanced batteries and intelligent power systems that use renewable energy". They are expanding with the help of $1.3 million in federal stimulus loans. The company siad it was putting its stimulus money toward factory renovations expecting to triple its manufacturing capabilities. They also said they could keep nearly a dozen workers as a result of the grant.

                              QUESTION??? If they need the stimulus money to keep workers, do you think they are busy enough to expand their operations??? More stimulus money being flushed down the drain IMO
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