We Need To Wean Ourselves From Our Dirty Oil Addiction

[grandmama]

this is a easy question.

I'm not going to answer stupid questions. you know I know the answer to it.

[Big Country 5]

I just dont think there is anything wrong with using oil.Its 2010 and I would be willing to bet that we will be driving cars that run on gas the next 50 years.Everybody says get off the oil tit.What better alternative is there?Whats cheaper.Whats better for the enviroment?

[grandmama]

big country, we are running out of oil. We are having to drill deeper and deeper to get what's left. We do need to find another alternate, but I don't have a lof of answers. I hope you're not right but I wouldn't bet against you that we will be using cars in the next 50 years. However, we can use electric cars if they were around-which there were 10-15 years ago; they had tons of horse power, but you couldn't drive them as far as gas cars. But if you don't think there's anything wrong with using oil I would like to invite you down to my beach hut in Orange Beach, tar balls began to roll up there 2 Saturdays ago, and the whole community is getting hit hard. Beaches are empty, bars and resturaunts are empty and people are hurting really bad. So, I can agree with you that we might be using gas cars in the next 50 years because we don't have any other real alternatives yet, but you have to admit that the cost of using oil hurts not only the enviroment but people. People are going broke because of this oil spill, so for you to say there is nothing wrong with us using oil is false, and I hope you can see that. I think you can.

[grandmama]

I would like to state that there is a little silver lining in the oil spill case. I would have to bet that its harder for those british assholes to get laid now because their accents are no longer sexy.

[Big Country 5]

I am not downgrading the impact of the spill.It will be years before the gulf will be close to normal.My heart breaks for the people and the buisnesses that are affected by this spill.However,I disagree with the statement that we're "running out of oil".People talk about electric cars....how bout the batteries.Where do you dispose of billions of batteries with acid in them?I think that could be just as an enviromental hazard as oil.Unfortunately,accidents happen.Should BP pay....absolutely.Is it a tragic event.....absolutely,but I just dont see a viable alternative.

[grandmama]

I urge you to watch the movie: End of Suburbia, Matthew Simmons who is the CEO of the world's largest Energy Investment Bank, Simmons & Co. International, with clients including Halliburton and the World Bank. Simmons is a also a member of the US Council on Foreign Relations and the National Petroleum Council's Natural Gas Task Force and, as such, has contributed "insider" perspective and hard facts to the study of Peak Oil and its effects. this is a subject that's not just scaring the hell out of some crazy hippies. This guy is an Oil and Gas guy and he knows we're running out. Oil is a natural resoure-they do run out. Look what happend to us in the 1970 here in the US, our own production drop tremendously- I know a lot of you were not around then, but we were waiting in line for gas for hours on end, some of us could only go on certain days. In addition, there are more people using oil now than ever before, China and India alone have somewhere in the neighborhood of over 1 billion new users of cars- that scares the hell out of me. Electric cars can work, watch the movie "Who Killed the Electric Car" I know I was a bit skeptical going into the movie, but I must admit that it could work if suitable infrastructure was in place, is it perfect, I would bet that its not, but we cannot accept the staus quo or we are just as bad as the BP execs. We have to put pressure on our elected officials because God knows they're getting a big earfull from the oil and gas lobby.

[husker]

I'm not going to answer stupid questions. you know I know the answer to it.

then why are you blaming the presidents for deficits or surpluses?

[grandmama]

then why are you blaming the presidents for deficits or surpluses?

husker, you are really hard to talk to and I'm going to stop our conversations. You like me when I agree with you and you basiclly call me a POS when I don't. You have not once agreed with anything I've said, and trust me, I'm spot on in a lot of our discussions. all you do is pick at people over and over again and it gets old. I admit when I'm wrong, but you have never said you were wrong about anything. When you are wrong you just leave whatever thread we were talking in and never respond. I've tried being civil with you and I think deep down you're a good person, but your antics are getting tiresome, and I cannot discuss thing with someone when everything we talk about is about winning to you. We're not playing a game of horse, its not about winning. Its about letting people voice their opinions and learning things from one another, but you are so closed minded and have so much pride that you will not allow yourself to do that. With that said, you win, you're #!, you're the best. Now, leave me alone and let the rest of us that are man enough and secure enough with ourselves to discuss matters related to politics alone. BTW, when Bush was in office the GOP had control of the house and congress for a long time. They helped screw everything up.

[husker]

big country, we are running out of oil. We are having to drill deeper and deeper to get what's left. We do need to find another alternate, but I don't have a lof of answers. I hope you're not right but I wouldn't bet against you that we will be using cars in the next 50 years. However, we can use electric cars if they were around-which there were 10-15 years ago; they had tons of horse power, but you couldn't drive them as far as gas cars. But if you don't think there's anything wrong with using oil I would like to invite you down to my beach hut in Orange Beach, tar balls began to roll up there 2 Saturdays ago, and the whole community is getting hit hard. Beaches are empty, bars and resturaunts are empty and people are hurting really bad. So, I can agree with you that we might be using gas cars in the next 50 years because we don't have any other real alternatives yet, but you have to admit that the cost of using oil hurts not only the enviroment but people. People are going broke because of this oil spill, so for you to say there is nothing wrong with us using oil is false, and I hope you can see that. I think you can.

just off the top of my head, but wasn't the gas thing in the 70's caused by the govt putting on price controls and the oil co's responded by "parking" their tankers?

natural gas is the only easy alternative to gas for vehicles. we won't be running out of fossil fuels any time soon. probably 100 years. environmentalists have been playing this card for what, 50 years? it's old, not true then, and not true now. by the time we are REALLY close to running out of fossil fuels, science will have perfected solar, fusion, or something not even thought of today.

[grandmama]

just off the top of my head, but wasn't the gas thing in the 70's caused by the govt putting on price controls and the oil co's responded by "parking" their tankers?

natural gas is the only easy alternative to gas for vehicles. we won't be running out of fossil fuels any time soon. probably 100 years. environmentalists have been playing this card for what, 50 years? it's old, not true then, and not true now. by the time we are REALLY close to running out of fossil fuels, science will have perfected solar, fusion, or something not even thought of today.

again, here is another example of you trying to win. you have no idea what you're talking about. you should go work for the heritage foundation because you are one of the most conservative people on this site. just a question off the top of my head: how old are you?

[husker]

You have not once agreed with anything I've said.

BTW, when Bush was in office the GOP had control of the house and congress for a long time. They helped screw everything up.

i agree with this and have said it many times before. you are making things up again about not agreeing with you on anything. why not mention the rep's controlled congress the last 6 years of clinton's presidency? that's right you aren't biased.

[husker]

again, here is another example of you trying to win. you have no idea what you're talking about. you should go work for the heritage foundation because you are one of the most conservative people on this site. just a question off the top of my head: how old are you?

i was around in the 70's so your BS doesn't work with me. i guess you are just pissed that i keep catching you making things up to try and promote your liber agenda. looks like i was right. from 1973 oil crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Government price controls further exacerbated the crisis in the United States,[24] which limited the price of "old oil" (that already discovered) while allowing newly discovered oil to be sold at a higher price, resulting in a withdrawal of old oil from the market and the creation of artificial scarcity.

[grandmama]

i was around in the 70's so your BS doesn't work with me. i guess you are just pissed that i keep catching you making things up to try and promote your liber agenda. looks like i was right. from 1973 oil crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Government price controls further exacerbated the crisis in the United States,[24] which limited the price of "old oil" (that already discovered) while allowing newly discovered oil to be sold at a higher price, resulting in a withdrawal of old oil from the market and the creation of artificial scarcity.

keep burning up wikipedia, you have no idea what you're talking about, but you think you're never wrong. best of luck in life, and please stay away from me from now on. I really mean it when I wish you luck, but I really would like if you stay clear of me. I will stay away from you and I want you to do the same. best of luck.

[husker]

You like me when I agree with you and you basiclly call me a POS when I don't. You have not once agreed with anything I've said.

i have never called you a POS or anything close. all i have done was prove you have been wrong, put words in my mouth, and exaggerated things many times just to try and make a point.

this is a perfect example of you making things up. i agreed with you TWICE JUST TODAY!

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I did not speak clearly. you got me. I should not have said a lot of stock, but it was reported that he did hold stock, so all I;m saying is that he's trying to look like the good guy here by letting these people go back to work, when his ruling was in reality was based on his own financial interest. Do you not agree with me on that point? I' m not sure how the do it in louisiana, but I know that here in Alabama and a lot of other states, judges run for office just like other reps and senators do. this is something that I don't agree with, I think judges should be appointed because shouldn't have to worry about making rulings that appeal to their base.


i do agree if there is a conflict of interest, he should not take the case.


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BTW, when Bush was in office the GOP had control of the house and congress for a long time. They helped screw everything up.

i agree with this and have said it many times before.

[grandmama]

i have never called you a POS or anything close. all i have done was prove you have been wrong, put words in my mouth, and exaggerated things many times just to try and make a point.

this is a perfect example of you making things up. i agreed with you TWICE JUST TODAY!

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I did not speak clearly. you got me. I should not have said a lot of stock, but it was reported that he did hold stock, so all I;m saying is that he's trying to look like the good guy here by letting these people go back to work, when his ruling was in reality was based on his own financial interest. Do you not agree with me on that point? I' m not sure how the do it in louisiana, but I know that here in Alabama and a lot of other states, judges run for office just like other reps and senators do. this is something that I don't agree with, I think judges should be appointed because shouldn't have to worry about making rulings that appeal to their base.


i do agree if there is a conflict of interest, he should not take the case.


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BTW, when Bush was in office the GOP had control of the house and congress for a long time. They helped screw everything up.

i agree with this and have said it many times before.

you didn't do this until after I called you out. peace out.