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  • Health Reform Myths

    By PAUL KRUGMAN
    Published: March 11, 2010

    Health reform is back from the dead. Many Democrats have realized that their electoral prospects will be better if they can point to a real accomplishment. Polling on reform — which was never as negative as portrayed — shows signs of improving. And I’ve been really impressed by the passion and energy of this guy Barack Obama. Where was he last year?

    But reform still has to run a gantlet of misinformation and outright lies. So let me address three big myths about the proposed reform, myths that are believed by many people who consider themselves well-informed, but who have actually fallen for deceptive spin.

    The first of these myths, which has been all over the airwaves lately, is the claim that President Obama is proposing a government takeover of one-sixth of the economy, the share of G.D.P. currently spent on health.

    Well, if having the government regulate and subsidize health insurance is a “takeover,” that takeover happened long ago. Medicare, Medicaid, and other government programs already pay for almost half of American health care, while private insurance pays for barely more than a third (the rest is mostly out-of-pocket expenses). And the great bulk of that private insurance is provided via employee plans, which are both subsidized with tax exemptions and tightly regulated.

    The only part of health care in which there isn’t already a lot of federal intervention is the market in which individuals who can’t get employment-based coverage buy their own insurance. And that market, in case you hadn’t noticed, is a disaster — no coverage for people with pre-existing medical conditions, coverage dropped when you get sick, and huge premium increases in the middle of an economic crisis. It’s this sector, plus the plight of Americans with no insurance at all, that reform aims to fix. What’s wrong with that?

    The second myth is that the proposed reform does nothing to control costs. To support this claim, critics point to reports by the Medicare actuary, who predicts that total national health spending would be slightly higher in 2019 with reform than without it.

    Even if this prediction were correct, it points to a pretty good bargain. The actuary’s assessment of the Senate bill, for example, finds that it would raise total health care spending by less than 1 percent, while extending coverage to 34 million Americans who would otherwise be uninsured. That’s a large expansion in coverage at an essentially trivial cost.

    And it gets better as we go further into the future: the Congressional Budget Office has just concluded, in a new report, that the arithmetic of reform will look better in its second decade than it did in its first.

    Furthermore, there’s good reason to believe that all such estimates are too pessimistic. There are many cost-saving efforts in the proposed reform, but nobody knows how well any one of these efforts will work. And as a result, official estimates don’t give the plan much credit for any of them. What the actuary and the budget office do is a bit like looking at an oil company’s prospecting efforts, concluding that any individual test hole it drills will probably come up dry, and predicting as a consequence that the company won’t find any oil at all — when the odds are, in fact, that some of the test holes will pan out, and produce big payoffs. Realistically, health reform is likely to do much better at controlling costs than any of the official projections suggest.

    Which brings me to the third myth: that health reform is fiscally irresponsible. How can people say this given Congressional Budget Office predictions — which, as I’ve already argued, are probably too pessimistic — that reform would actually reduce the deficit? Critics argue that we should ignore what’s actually in the legislation; when cost control actually starts to bite on Medicare, they insist, Congress will back down.

    But this isn’t an argument against Obamacare, it’s a declaration that we can’t control Medicare costs no matter what. And it also flies in the face of history: contrary to legend, past efforts to limit Medicare spending have in fact “stuck,” rather than being withdrawn in the face of political pressure.

    So what’s the reality of the proposed reform? Compared with the Platonic ideal of reform, Obamacare comes up short. If the votes were there, I would much prefer to see Medicare for all.

    For a real piece of passable legislation, however, it looks very good. It wouldn’t transform our health care system; in fact, Americans whose jobs come with health coverage would see little effect. But it would make a huge difference to the less fortunate among us, even as it would do more to control costs than anything we’ve done before.

    This is a reasonable, responsible plan. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

    Op-Ed Columnist - Health Reform Myths - NYTimes.com

  • #2
    Monte, its unfortunate, but it seems to me that nobody really wants to learn more about Hcare; they are just more comfortable bashing things they know nothing about. BTW, thanks for the post.
    "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." -Mark Twain

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    • #3
      FWIW...Posting of an op-ed piece, especially from the leftist NYT proves NOTHING! You do understand that Op-Ed implies one person's opinion, right? This is the same NYT who has repeatedly been nothing more than the propoganda arm of the Progressives Dems. Facts...not opinions, will sway reactions.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by umreb78 View Post
        FWIW...Posting of an op-ed piece, especially from the leftist NYT proves NOTHING! You do understand that Op-Ed implies one person's opinion, right? This is the same NYT who has repeatedly been nothing more than the propoganda arm of the Progressives Dems. Facts...not opinions, will sway reactions.
        Krugman teaches Economics at Princeton. He is one of the most influential intellectuals of our time. it is irresponsible of you to dismiss everything from the NYT just because you think it's a leftist newspaper; which it is not. Buzz words like propaganda are used by people that want to ignore serious intellectual dialogue.
        "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." -Mark Twain

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        • #5
          Originally posted by umreb78 View Post
          FWIW...Posting of an op-ed piece, especially from the leftist NYT proves NOTHING! You do understand that Op-Ed implies one person's opinion, right? This is the same NYT who has repeatedly been nothing more than the propoganda arm of the Progressives Dems. Facts...not opinions, will sway reactions.
          Now looking at your sceen name I understand why you think the way you do. You went to Ole Miss and you're around the age of 31, or you graduated from there in 1978, either way it explains why you think the way you do. Ole Miss is one of the biggest right wing schools in the south. They like to claim they're the Harvard from the South. Yeah right, it's a party frat school.
          "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." -Mark Twain

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          • #6
            Nice enlightened response. Typical left wing loon deflection...Would love to continue to debate with you, but you're not worth wasting my time. BTW...my guess is that YOU would be one of the downtrodden whose HC coverage I would be subsidizing.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by umreb78 View Post
              Nice enlightened response. Typical left wing loon deflection...Would love to continue to debate with you, but you're not worth wasting my time. BTW...my guess is that YOU would be one of the downtrodden whose HC coverage I would be subsidizing.
              So he was right?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by umreb78 View Post
                Nice enlightened response. Typical left wing loon deflection...Would love to continue to debate with you, but you're not worth wasting my time. BTW...my guess is that YOU would be one of the downtrodden whose HC coverage I would be subsidizing.
                I'd like to see you debate Krugman. What did you get your degree in from there? Pharmaceutical sales?!
                "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." -Mark Twain

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                • #9
                  First of all, Krigman's (latest) op-ed was written on March 10...before the CBO even had anything to score so his reference to the CBO cost analysis is without merit. Secondly, the CBO scoring that came out this morning is prefaced with the fact that it is ONLY an estimate (even by their standards) since they STILL do not have the final language, but merely a procedural placeholder for the "reconcilaition bill". Lastly, I'm a CPA and I understand, do you, that the CBO is little more than a Congressional calculator. It scores only the assumptions supplied to it by Congress and makes no assertion whatsover that the assumptions are in any way attainable. In fact, a GAO review of CBO peformance relaesed in late 2008 reported that since 1990, the scores issued by the CBO on 37 major pieces of legislation proved to be questionable at best, not due to CBO errors but because the assumptions (acts that Congress said would come to pass) rarely lived up to expectations. Bottom line is that on those 37 programs, the actual cost of the subject legislation was "underscored" on 34 of the programs by an average of 32%. The remaining three programs did actually come in cheaper than scored by an average of 2.6%.

                  As for Krugman, I realize that he is an econ professor at Princeton to which I reply so freakin what. He is first and foremost a liberal ideologue and he uses his own eceonomic theories, many of which are highly contested by the economic community as flawed. If he didn't whore for the NYT you wouldn't even know who he is. He is philosophically a socialist and if you study economics deeply you will recognize that the is no only his political agenda, it is also his economic agenda. The fact is that economic principles that drive a capitalist economy not only vary from, but are polar opposites, to those who drive statist or socialist economies. Krugman is, always has been, of the opinion that governments drive economies and that all national wealth should properly pass through the hands of that government. Very typical of a neo-European. If you believe that Euro socialists have it right, you should live there. An economy built on creating private sector wealth and goodwill is the essential thing that makes America different from the rest of the world and socialist Europe in particular.

                  And by the way, I have attended two economic conferences in which PK was one of the speakers. One at Columbia and the other at Wharton and in both cases, he was debating two different free market economists and he got his red ass handed to him at both events.

                  Lastly, I'm curious Grandma if you pay any federal income taxes. The reason the HC bill is scored as minimally deficit positive over ten years (apart from the assumption discussion above) is that those $940 billion in HC costs....Most of them are being paid for with an huge increase in taxpayers taxes, fees, and fines. If you want to continue this debate that's fine with me. But bring FACTS, not opinions and come armed with them. Tell me that you've at least read the bill.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by grandmama View Post
                    I'd like to see you debate Krugman. What did you get your degree in from there? Pharmaceutical sales?!
                    Since you asked, I have two bachelors degrees... in economics and accounting both from Ole Miss. I have an MBA from the Wharton School of Business (That's Penn to you probably) with emphasis in International Finance and Taxation. How bout you?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by grandmama View Post
                      Krugman teaches Economics at Princeton. He is one of the most influential intellectuals of our time. it is irresponsible of you to dismiss everything from the NYT just because you think it's a leftist newspaper; which it is not. Buzz words like propaganda are used by people that want to ignore serious intellectual dialogue.

                      you're saying the NYT isnt a leftist newspaper???
                      please tell me your kidding............
                      jordanrules..................

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BigWeiner View Post
                        So he was right?
                        i think he was wrong KING LIB
                        jordanrules..................

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                        • #13
                          Krugman has been criticle of Obama in the past. He is very impartial, he may be a lot of things but he is not partisan....

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                          • #14
                            It is hard to find a sane person that do not believe that health care should be reformed. The lies that the right is saying is comical and sad both. I have not read where one person on this forum has given a reason why we should not health care reform.(That is not a lie from Rush, Glenn Beck, or Hanity)

                            So let me give you one. I do not trust the govt. Everytime they try to reform something and get involved they fuck everything up. The govt. is not in the business of making money. With all the smart business people on this forum it should be determined by this one simple business principle. The market will correct itself through competitiion.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by buddyluv1968 View Post
                              It is hard to find a sane person that do not believe that health care should be reformed. The lies that the right is saying is comical and sad both. I have not read where one person on this forum has given a reason why we should not health care reform.(That is not a lie from Rush, Glenn Beck, or Hanity)

                              So let me give you one. I do not trust the govt. Everytime they try to reform something and get involved they fuck everything up. The govt. is not in the business of making money. With all the smart business people on this forum it should be determined by this one simple business principle. The market will correct itself through competitiion.
                              I haven't seen one person on this site who has opposed "health care reform", but many who don't approve of "this bill". And unfortunately the left cannot and will not acknowledge the difference.

                              Posters have mentioned that most, if not all, the things the govt has its hands on is bankrupt or close to it.

                              I don't claim to have the answers, but if a majority of people in the US are against this bill, it seems like there must be some sort of motive to go around the will of the people who elected these pols. I do know that HSA's, especially for healthy people, are great. I do know that Bush was stupid when he signed the Medicare p r e sc ri pt law into effect without paying for it. I do know that flooding 30+ million people into the HC system is going to cause problems b/c of a lack of healthcare providers, especially primary care physicians. And I do know the numbers are cooked when actually coming up with a true 10 year cost.

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