Obama's hypocrisy out of control on passing healthcare via nuclear option

[harold_bush]

Breitbart.tv Obama ‘American Agenda’ Flashback: Dems Should Not Pass Healthcare With a 50-Plus-1 Strategy

I don't know why this still surprises me, but it is just so ridiculous now that it is still a little hard for me to believe.

[grandmama]

Breitbart.tv Obama ‘American Agenda’ Flashback: Dems Should Not Pass Healthcare With a 50-Plus-1 Strategy

I don't know why this still surprises me, but it is just so ridiculous now that it is still a little hard for me to believe.

harold,as I have said in another post, pubs did this in the past, and I knew about it, but I didn't hear anyone complain at the rate you are. Again, the bush tax cuts and the senior drug bill was passed this way, but they didn't give it the name reconciliation. On top of that Dicky C broke a 50-50 TIE 8 TIMES! I know you would be outraged if Biden did the same. Again, people that read the newspaper have known about this for years. I know that you most likely have been hearing this stuff on the news and talk radio. Everytime I turn on the news or radio they're talking about reconciliation. Get over it man. how can it be ok for pubs to do it, but not dems? As you know I hate both parties, I think they're both wings of corporate America; but if I am going to take you seriously you have to stop with the double standard you have in regards to being fair.

[Celtics86]

grandmama, the truth of the matter is the health care issue can be substituted to most any social program with the same results. The sad American bottom line is “I hate my tax money going to niggers”. Though individuals understand and wish to help through government intervention, democracy being what it is, the majority is not going to allow it until every Black in America dresses, speaks, and thinks like Ron Reagan.

Those nations that enjoy national health care plans, are content taking care of each other. They are willing to pay more taxes to give everyone equal access while reducing the overall cost to the nation. These countries perceive themselves as paying in for themselves and not some other differently colored culture they don't like...and the corporate propaganda has these naysayers by the balls, too.....

[grandmama]

that's what I thought Harold, I know you were on here and saw my post above, and finally decided you had nothing to saw. At least I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong. in reality harold, you're the hypocrit not Obama. I thought we made a break through, but you continue to refuse believe the truth. you can revise history all you want, but there's people out there that actually know what they're talking about: in this case, myself to call people out when they're wrong or misguided. I'm not saying you're a bad person, but I hope that you will look for other news sources or even books in the future that tell more sides of the events that have taken place in the past.

[grandmama]

grandmama, the truth of the matter is the health care issue can be substituted to most any social program with the same results. The sad American bottom line is “I hate my tax money going to niggers”. Though individuals understand and wish to help through government intervention, democracy being what it is, the majority is not going to allow it until every Black in America dresses, speaks, and thinks like Ron Reagan.

Those nations that enjoy national health care plans, are content taking care of each other. They are willing to pay more taxes to give everyone equal access while reducing the overall cost to the nation. These countries perceive themselves as paying in for themselves and not some other differently colored culture they don't like...and the corporate propaganda has these naysayers by the balls, too.....

celts, you bring up some good points. I know people are going to try to blast you for bringing up the N word, but I believe there is a lot of truth in what you say. race is something we need to talk about more, but we as Americans tend to shy away from it whenever possible. I personally think that the internet is a great place to start the conversation because people can really say what they feel without the fear of carrying around a scarlet letter for their beliefs. I take my hat off to you for having the courage to say what you really feel. I know that those sentiments cannot have been created in a day, so there has to be some reasons you believe the way that you do.

[harold_bush]

harold,as I have said in another post, pubs did this in the past, and I knew about it, but I didn't hear anyone complain at the rate you are. Again, the bush tax cuts and the senior drug bill was passed this way, but they didn't give it the name reconciliation. On top of that Dicky C broke a 50-50 TIE 8 TIMES! I know you would be outraged if Biden did the same. Again, people that read the newspaper have known about this for years. I know that you most likely have been hearing this stuff on the news and talk radio. Everytime I turn on the news or radio they're talking about reconciliation. Get over it man. how can it be ok for pubs to do it, but not dems? As you know I hate both parties, I think they're both wings of corporate America; but if I am going to take you seriously you have to stop with the double standard you have in regards to being fair.

Actually I just now read your post, grandmama. Look, unlike most of hte other libs in here, I respect your views. I too don't care for either party. Contrary to popular belief, I do not consider myself a republican and don't make a habit for sticking up for them either. I'm a Libertarian for the most part, and admit that in my view am just voting for the lesser of two evils when it comes to voting for Republicans.

One thing that to me makes this situation different is that Obama is on tape specifically saying reconciliation should not be used on this issue. Did Bush ever come out and say specifically that he wasn't going to use reconciliation on a particular bill and then do it? I'm asking, i don't know the answer. I haven't heard that from the libs in here so I'm guessing Bush was never on record speaking against it. THAT is the part that irritates me. Reconciliation is used on certain issues, both parties use it, so I don't have a problem with the process, it is there for a reason. IT is just what and when it used that matters. As I've stated many times before, wrong is wrong, and Bush's wrongs don't excuse Obama's wrongs any more that my wrongs excuse your wrongs. That is the part that gets me.

[WayneChung]

working on health care with the bigger problems we have today is like if a tornado hit your house and you said "honey,i am going to wash the car". we need jobs,we need to fix the national debt-legalize weed and gambling-TAX THEM // i am personally working 3 jobs right now and at this rate will lose my home in the next 2 years.if some of the countries problems are not fixed-everybodies going to be carrying a gun-i have not had health care in 12 years and i am close to 55-just think we have some bigger issues !! ps-celtics i do not think this is a black-white issue,and i am white and do not want to be like ronald reagan-LOL !!

[harold_bush]

that's what I thought Harold, I know you were on here and saw my post above, and finally decided you had nothing to saw. At least I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong. in reality harold, you're the hypocrit not Obama. I thought we made a break through, but you continue to refuse believe the truth. you can revise history all you want, but there's people out there that actually know what they're talking about: in this case, myself to call people out when they're wrong or misguided. I'm not saying you're a bad person, but I hope that you will look for other news sources or even books in the future that tell more sides of the events that have taken place in the past.

How am I a hypocrite? I've stated countless times in other points that wrong is wrong. I've also stated countless times that I AM NOT A GEORGE BUSH SUPPORTER, so I don't know why you and the other libs keep going back to Bush with me.

I've followed politics since high school, but I'll be honest (and have stated this before), while I know Bush used the process, I don't recall it being as big of an issue as this. I don't recall the media being all over it b/c from what I've read, he used it more in line with what it was traditionally used for. Also, as stated above I don't recall Bush being on tape saying he won't use it for budgeting purposes, and then he uses it for budgeting purposes. That is the part that makes it wrong to me. If Bush used it for something he shouldn't have used it for then he is absolutely wrong as well. Again, I keep repeating myself, but two wrongs don't make a right. Bush's wrongs don'g excuse Obama's wrongs. Obama's wrongs won't excused the next President's wrongs. If you kill someone I can't kill someone and say, well grandmama did it, so what's wrong w/ me doing it? Wrong is wrong.

[WayneChung]

man you guys take politics seriously,i can not afford the drops i am supposed to take,so i am going to smoke a doobie for my glaucoma and chill a while before i head in to job # 1 // PS- I LUV U GUYS !!

[grandmama]

How am I a hypocrite? I've stated countless times in other points that wrong is wrong. I've also stated countless times that I AM NOT A GEORGE BUSH SUPPORTER, so I don't know why you and the other libs keep going back to Bush with me.

I've followed politics since high school, but I'll be honest (and have stated this before), while I know Bush used the process, I don't recall it being as big of an issue as this. I don't recall the media being all over it b/c from what I've read, he used it more in line with what it was traditionally used for. Also, as stated above I don't recall Bush being on tape saying he won't use it for budgeting purposes, and then he uses it for budgeting purposes. That is the part that makes it wrong to me. If Bush used it for something he shouldn't have used it for then he is absolutely wrong as well. Again, I keep repeating myself, but two wrongs don't make a right. Bush's wrongs don'g excuse Obama's wrongs. Obama's wrongs won't excused the next President's wrongs. If you kill someone I can't kill someone and say, well grandmama did it, so what's wrong w/ me doing it? Wrong is wrong.

i never said you were a bush guy. all i said was that I thought you were the type of guy to call a spade a spade, and was a little upset that you call Obama out wheb pubs did the same in the past.

[harold_bush]

i never said you were a bush guy. all i said was that I thought you were the type of guy to call a spade a spade, and was a little upset that you call Obama out wheb pubs did the same in the past.

I think the situations are different as I stated in the earlier post. Reconciliation itself is an accepted practice for certain things. I don't have a problem with that, just that Obama is on record saying it shouldn't be used on healthcare, and now he is trying to use it on healthcare. If Bush did the same thing.....saying reconciliation should not be used on a certain issue, and then he used it on that very issue, I would condemn that action as well....calling a spade a spade

Another thing that makes the healthcare issue particularly disturbing is that there is NO question whatsoever that the American people are against Obama's healthcare bill......every poll says that. To force something that the majority of the "people" are against by using a questionable tactic is terrible. Politicians are supposed to carry out the will of the people. Not only is Obama and the Dems not doing that, but they are using a questionable measure to do so.

[grandmama]

I think the situations are different as I stated in the earlier post. Reconciliation itself is an accepted practice for certain things. I don't have a problem with that, just that Obama is on record saying it shouldn't be used on healthcare, and now he is trying to use it on healthcare. If Bush did the same thing.....saying reconciliation should not be used on a certain issue, and then he used it on that very issue, I would condemn that action as well....calling a spade a spade

Another thing that makes the healthcare issue particularly disturbing is that there is NO question whatsoever that the American people are against Obama's healthcare bill......every poll says that. To force something that the majority of the "people" are against by using a questionable tactic is terrible. Politicians are supposed to carry out the will of the people. Not only is Obama and the Dems not doing that, but they are using a questionable measure to do so.

every poll? come on Harold. maybe every poll you've looked at. no question whatsover? see my Twain quote below.

[Jamaicanman]

every poll? come on Harold. maybe every poll you've looked at. no question whatsover? see my Twain quote below.

Other then a Daily Kos poll, I have not seen any major polls showing support. You are more then welcome to correct me with any recent poll data.

Also on the issue of hypocrisy. What are your thoughts on the President insisting on pay go at the SotU address, yet one of the first pieces of legislation adds 10 billion to the debt?

[harold_bush]

every poll? come on Harold. maybe every poll you've looked at. no question whatsover? see my Twain quote below.

grandmama, I thought you to be more level headed than this. Now you are just sounding like a blind Obama supporter that is no different than the blind Bush supportes.

Do you honestly think the American people want this bill? I'm not being sarcastic, I'd really like to know your answer on this. I'll admit I haven't checked every poll, but when I see CNN polls saying the vast majority are against the plan, and every major poll I've seen says the same, I think it is a pretty obvious statment to say generally speaking the majority of Americans are against ObamaCare. Could you please point out for me which recent polls show the American people want this? I'm willing to learn.

[vols fan]

The sad American bottom line is “I hate my tax money going to niggers,white trash,illegal mexicans and anyone else who don't want to get a job and sits on there lazy ass and lives off of us white,black and LEGAL Mexican people that work everyday”.

I agree 100% Celtics