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  • The real deficit Obama inherited from Bush?

    This was an interesting read from former Clinton advisor - Dick Morris, in plain English, not Obama doubletalk.

    Even still, if these spend drunks dont stop on both sides, we are fucked.



    BEHIND OBAMA'S PHONY DEFICIT NUMBERS

    By DICK MORRIS

    Published on DickMorris.com on February 1, 2010


    President Obama is being disingenuous when he says that the budget deficit he faced "when I walked in the door" of the White House was $1.3 trillion. He went on to say that he only increased it to $1.4 trillion in 2009 and was raising it to $1.6 trillion in 2010.

    Congressman Joe Wilson might have said "you lie," but we'll settle for "you distort."

    (As Mark Twain once said, there are three kinds of lies: "lies, damn lies, and statistics.")

    Here are the facts:

    In 2008, Bush ran a deficit of $485 billion. By the time the fiscal year started on October 1, 2008, it had gone up by another $100 billion due to increased recession-related spending and depressed revenues. So it was about $600 billion at the start of the fiscal crisis. That was the real Bush deficit.

    But when the fiscal crisis hit, Bush had to pass TARP in the final months of his presidency which cost $700 billion. Under the federal budget rules, a loan and a grant are treated the same. So the $700 billion pushed the deficit -- officially -- up to $1.3 trillion. But not really. The $700 billion was a short term loan. $500 billion of it has already been repaid.
    So what was the real deficit Obama inherited? The $600 billion deficit Bush was running plus the $200 billion of TARP money that probably won't be repaid (mainly AIG and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac). That totals $800 billion. That was the real deficit Obama inherited.

    Then...he added $300 billion in his stimulus package, bringing the deficit to $1.1 trillion. This $300 billion was, of course, totally qualitatively different from the TARP money in that it was spending not lending. It would never be paid back. Once it was out the door, it was gone. Other spending and falling revenues due to the recession pushed the final numbers for Obama's 2009 deficit up to $1.4 trillion.

    So, effectively, Obama came close to doubling the deficit.

    Obama seems not to understand that the deficit is the jobs problem. To add to the deficit in the hope of creating more jobs is an oxymoron. Additional deficit spending just crowds out small businesses trying to borrow money to create jobs and consumers seeking credit to buy cars and homes.

    Soon, when the Fed stops printing money and we have to borrow real funds from real lenders, the high deficit will send interest rates soaring, further retarding growth and creating a cost-push inflation.

    The interest rate we are now paying for the debt -- about 3.5% -- is totally artificial and based on the massive injection of money supply created by the purchase of mortgage backed securities by an obliging Federal Reserve. Once these injections of currency/heroin stop, the rate will more than double, sending our debt service spending into the stratosphere. Once we had to choose between guns and butter. Now we will have to choose between guns and butter on the one hand and paying our debt service on the other.

    Obama's program of fiscal austerity in this new budget is a joke. He freezes very selected budget items while he shovels out new spending in his stimulus packages. If he wanted to lower the deficit, here's what he could do:

    1. Cancel the remaining $500 billion of stimulus spending and

    2. Cancel the $300 billion of spending in stimulus II.

    Those are the real numbers. Or, as Al Gore would have it, "the inconvenient truth."
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    morris is right on the money!

    i said a while ago i didn't like tarp (still don't), but most of it is or will be payed back with interest. i believe the auto co's were part of this also.

    now this double talking clown wants to spend all the tarp money that has been payed back so that it doesn't get put on his plate as raising the deficit on his watch. it will go on bush's (tarp) administration since that is when the money was appropriated.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by husker View Post
      morris is right on the money!

      i said a while ago i didn't like tarp (still don't), but most of it is or will be payed back with interest. i believe the auto co's were part of this also.

      now this double talking clown wants to spend all the tarp money that has been payed back so that it doesn't get put on his plate as raising the deficit on his watch. it will go on bush's (tarp) administration since that is when the money was appropriated.
      If TARP was what "pulled us back from the brink", then how can President Obama distance himself from it? Either he takes credit for it success and failure, or he takes nothing from it. But oddly, just the "good" (imaginary I know) is mentioned tied to him.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jamaicanman View Post
        If TARP was what "pulled us back from the brink", then how can President Obama distance himself from it? Either he takes credit for it success and failure, or he takes nothing from it. But oddly, just the "good" (imaginary I know) is mentioned tied to him.

        tarp is on bush, HIS administration loaned the money to the banks and aig (actually the banks also). the credit or blame is ALL his. they both gave money to the auto co's, fannie, and freddy, so they are BOTH to blame/get credit for that.
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        • #5
          you cant forget Congress passes budgets and the Libs have had control of congress sense jan 1 2007 thats 3years and counting anyone notice a pattern on how they spend spend spend
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          • #6
            flare, Dick Morris is a Fox news guy and has a few rightwing think tanks that he runs. he is not a democrat. Unlike Bush, Clinton and Obama have people from other parties working in their admin...
            Last edited by grandmama; 02-03-2010, 09:40 PM.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by grandmama View Post
              flare, Dick Morris is a Fox news guy and has a few rightwing think tanks that he runs. he is not a democrat. Unlike Bush, Clinton and Obama have people from other parties working in their admin...



              Yes I know that he switched parties. Even still, does that make this story false
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              • #8
                Originally posted by flarendep1 View Post
                Yes I know that he switched parties. Even still, does that make this story false
                I hear ya flare. He never swithed parties. Clinton brought him on after the Pubs took the House and sen back in 94. He thought Dick would help him communicate with the pubs. Anyway, I wouldn't trust that article.
                "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." -Mark Twain

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by grandmama View Post
                  I hear ya flare. He never swithed parties. Clinton brought him on after the Pubs took the House and sen back in 94. He thought Dick would help him communicate with the pubs. Anyway, I wouldn't trust that article.
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                  • #10
                    "But when the fiscal crisis hit, Bush had to pass TARP in the final months of his presidency which cost $700 billion. Under the federal budget rules, a loan and a grant are treated the same. So the $700 billion pushed the deficit -- officially -- up to $1.3 trillion. But not really. The $700 billion was a short term loan. $500 billion of it has already been repaid. "
                    Dickey Morris is the one double-talking...
                    "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." -Mark Twain

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by grandmama View Post
                      "But when the fiscal crisis hit, Bush had to pass TARP in the final months of his presidency which cost $700 billion. Under the federal budget rules, a loan and a grant are treated the same. So the $700 billion pushed the deficit -- officially -- up to $1.3 trillion. But not really. The $700 billion was a short term loan. $500 billion of it has already been repaid. "
                      Dickey Morris is the one double-talking...
                      In fairness, Obama had a vote as a US Senator, and he voted for the bailout. IMO everyone that voted Yea is complicit.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Guns View Post
                        In fairness, Obama had a vote as a US Senator, and he voted for the bailout. IMO everyone that voted Yea is complicit.
                        No doubt, he did vote for it. But, if you remember, Bush and Co acted like the world would've ended if the bailout didn't pass. Also, it was a few months before the election, so there was a lot of outside media pressure for him to vote for it. Not saying it was right, but Bush and Co had everyone against the ropes. One thing I can say about Bush, doesn't matter if you like him, or not; one has to give him props for pushing through stuff he wanted passed.
                        "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." -Mark Twain

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by grandmama View Post
                          "But when the fiscal crisis hit, Bush had to pass TARP in the final months of his presidency which cost $700 billion. Under the federal budget rules, a loan and a grant are treated the same. So the $700 billion pushed the deficit -- officially -- up to $1.3 trillion. But not really. The $700 billion was a short term loan. $500 billion of it has already been repaid. "
                          Dickey Morris is the one double-talking...
                          how is he double talking?

                          1.3 trillion minus the 500 billion payed back equals a 800 billion deficit. so a 800 billion deficit is what bush's last yer was in reality, not the 1.3 trillion dem's like to talk about.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by grandmama View Post
                            No doubt, he did vote for it. But, if you remember, Bush and Co acted like the world would've ended if the bailout didn't pass. Also, it was a few months before the election, so there was a lot of outside media pressure for him to vote for it. Not saying it was right, but Bush and Co had everyone against the ropes. One thing I can say about Bush, doesn't matter if you like him, or not; one has to give him props for pushing through stuff he wanted passed.
                            I think the financial world would have ended, or at least severely crippled if it wasn't passed. Obama would have inherited a worse economy than he did if the TARP wasn't passed....as hard as it is to believe. Most conservatives thought it was a terrible idea.

                            I wish Obama would acknowledge he voted for it instead distancing himself from it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by grandmama View Post
                              No doubt, he did vote for it. But, if you remember, Bush and Co acted like the world would've ended if the bailout didn't pass. Also, it was a few months before the election, so there was a lot of outside media pressure for him to vote for it. Not saying it was right, but Bush and Co had everyone against the ropes. One thing I can say about Bush, doesn't matter if you like him, or not; one has to give him props for pushing through stuff he wanted passed.

                              come on, i was taught as a kid "if someone told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it?"

                              that's a completely lame excuse. obama was saying the same thing bush was. you are starting to go back to the partisan posts again.
                              “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."

                              Gerald Ford

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