The Supreme Court has sold out the American people

[buddyluv1968]

Capitalism rules, would you rather have Communism where the government controls everything.

Man you have officially been classified as a tool!!!!!! Unless your family is the 1% that controls everything you have been officially screwed....

[Spark]

Man you have officially been classified as a tool!!!!!! Unless your family is the 1% that controls everything you have been officially screwed....

We will not tolerate anymore name calling in this forum ... if we see any name calling or calling other members out .. your post will be deleted and you will be banned from the thread ...

By calling other members out I mean mentioning another member in your thread if you are not speaking to him/her ..

Things have gotten way out of hand in here and I do not want to lose this forum ...

This is my last warning to everyone ... if you can not discuss/debate without the name calling then stay out of this forum ...



Thanks

[BattersUp!]

The citizens should be more in control. Give power to the people.

[buddyluv1968]

Spark you are so right.... There is no space on this site for name calling... I need to think of a way to express my thoughts of people that just repeat every idiotic thing that Rush, Glen Beck, O'reilly and all those other TV wind bags say...

[jordanrules23]

Spark you are so right.... There is no space on this site for name calling... I need to think of a way to express my thoughts of people that just repeat every idiotic thing that Rush, Glen Beck, O'reilly and all those other TV wind bags say...

your so right spark, i need to think of a better way to express my thoughts of people that just repeat what idiotic Olberman, reid, Sharpton, Jessie, Obama, resko, wright, maher, etc and all the other left wing bats say//////

[buddyluv1968]

your so right spark, i need to think of a better way to express my thoughts of people that just repeat what idiotic Olberman, reid, Sharpton, Jessie, Obama, resko, wright, maher, etc and all the other left wing bats say//////

[jordanrules23]

love ya BUDDY

[flarendep1]

Man you have officially been classified as a tool!!!!!! Unless your family is the 1% that controls everything you have been officially screwed....

No man, just a middle class guy getting screwed by your wonderboy, Mr Transparent, Obama.

What a low class Un-Presidential move to call out the Supreme Court in a state of the union address. Never been done in history. Low class, low intelect.

Got to punish that top 1% dont we. No sense having any rich people in America. Better for everyone to be poor.

[grandmama]

IMO, John Roberts essentially privatized democracy in America last week. I have friends that don't understand the severity of the ruling. They simply think that "the invisible hand" will solve every problem- capitalism is the answer to all their problems. I think that the general public will have no say anymore in regards to politics. The only freedom we will have now is to choose between the candidates that huge corporations and unions select for us. The Bill of Rights is largely a prescription5 for preventing government from restricting the flow of information and ideas. But the Founding Fathers did not foresee that tyranny by government might be superceded by another sort of problem altogether, namely, the corporate state, which through television now controls the flow of public discourse in America. IMO, we have less to fear from our government restraints than from our television glut; that in fact, we have no way of protecting ourselves from information disseminated by corporate America; and that, therefore, the battles for liberty must be fought on different terrains from where they once were.

[flarendep1]

IMO, John Roberts essentially privatized democracy in America last week. I have friends that don't understand the severity of the ruling. They simply think that "the invisible hand" will solve every problem- capitalism is the answer to all their problems. I think that the general public will have no say anymore in regards to politics. The only freedom we will have now is to choose between the candidates that huge corporations and unions select for us. The Bill of Rights is largely a prescription5 for preventing government from restricting the flow of information and ideas. But the Founding Fathers did not foresee that tyranny by government might be superceded by another sort of problem altogether, namely, the corporate state, which through television now controls the flow of public discourse in America. IMO, we have less to fear from our government restraints than from our television glut; that in fact, we have no way of protecting ourselves from information disseminated by corporate America; and that, therefore, the battles for liberty must be fought on different terrains from where they once were.

Grandma,

With all due respect, why does a TV ad make such a difference. They cant twist your arm to make you vote. The people still have the ultimate power with their vote.

For example: Dems outspent on ads by like 8 to 1 against Matt Brown in Mass. Give voters credit for not falling for slick marketing and having the ability to dig deeper.

[grandmama]

Grandma,

With all due respect, why does a TV ad make such a difference. They cant twist your arm to make you vote. The people still have the ultimate power with their vote.

For example: Dems outspent on ads by like 8 to 1 against Matt Brown in Mass. Give voters credit for not falling for slick marketing and having the ability to dig deeper.

Flare, in the shift from party politics to TV politcs, we are not permitted to know who is the best at being President, Sen, Rep, etc; but whose image is best in touching and soothing the deep reaches of our discontent. We (public, not you or I persee) look at the TV screen and ask, mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the fairest of them all? We are inclined to vote for those whose peronality, family-life, and style, as imaged on the screen we like the most. Its like the old saying:We make or gods in our own images. (gods, meaning in this case, political candidates). But, those politicians refashion themselves into images the viewer would like them to be. I wish we would do away with the tv political ad altogher. How much can one learn about a person in a 30 second-2 min tv commercial. The problem I have with TV is that most of the political discourse in this country is generated by the TV commercial. You are right that The DEMS outspent the PUb in Mass by somewhere around 8-1. But, you answered your question in something that you've mentioned before: Mass has a lot of independent voters. Most indepenedent voters are well informed, thus the TV ad is not as effective because those voters actually get their info about the candidates from other areas: newspaper, town meetings, etc.

[Jamaicanman]

I think you aren't giving the voters too much credit. I would think if you ask most voters, they are sick of ads and robo calls during election cycles. In fact, this might turn people off. If a candidate has ads on 24/7, paid for by a corp that must disclose they are paying for it, you don't think people are going to be smart enough to realize a vote for that candidate is a vote for someone with something to pay back?

And if politicians are SO upset by the decision, no one is forcing them to take the money.

[flarendep1]

Flare, in the shift from party politics to TV politcs, we are not permitted to know who is the best at being President, Sen, Rep, etc; but whose image is best in touching and soothing the deep reaches of our discontent. We (public, not you or I persee) look at the TV screen and ask, mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the fairest of them all? We are inclined to vote for those whose peronality, family-life, and style, as imaged on the screen we like the most. Its like the old saying:We make or gods in our own images. (gods, meaning in this case, political candidates). But, those politicians refashion themselves into images the viewer would like them to be. I wish we would do away with the tv political ad altogher. How much can one learn about a person in a 30 second-2 min tv commercial. The problem I have with TV is that most of the political discourse in this country is generated by the TV commercial. You are right that The DEMS outspent the PUb in Mass by somewhere around 8-1. But, you answered your question in something that you've mentioned before: Mass has a lot of independent voters. Most indepenedent voters are well informed, thus the TV ad is not as effective because those voters actually get their info about the candidates from other areas: newspaper, town meetings, etc.

Well stated and I agree, I would rather just have TV debates instead of these commercials which get ugly. I would also like to see all viable candidates placed on one website with their views stated on every relevent issue. Sort of a one stop shop. Require all networks to donate time for the debates.

I doubt 99% of the voters are as up to speed as we are on our particular sides. I tend to think Independant voters are maybe 3 types:

1) The non-committal type who does not want any controversy and wants everyone to just get along. They tend to be swayed with the popular crowd and jump on bandwagons.

2) The "I really dont care" type, typically ones who may not vote at all.

3) The true free thinker, moderate view of things and looks at issues from a open position.


I really think TV has ruined so many possible good candidates from even running. Many good people do not want to be subjected to the shark attacks into their family lives just to run for office.

This is not a shot at Obama but for once can we do away with all speech writers and teleprompters and see what these candidates are really like instead of the made up versions we get.

[grandmama]

And if politicians are SO upset by the decision, no one is forcing them to take the money.

most of them aren't upset about it. Both pubs and dems. They are getting lots of $ for their campaigns. The problem that will come from this is that the corps and unions will give these guys so much $ that the regular citizen will have no say at all. Furthermore, the corps and unions will pick people who will be puppets to get them what they want. I think that we should ban all $ from campaigns unless it is from individuals. its the only way we can get our country back. IMO, there is really no difference between the pubs and the dems anymore. they're both bought and sold by big corps and unions. this ruling is only going to add fuel to the fire.

[Jamaicanman]

Well you have a lot of Dems railing the decision since last week and you have the President of the US calling out the Supreme Court for it. So either they are lying to the public or they truly are unhappy by it. I think the reason they are unhappy is they realize their bank accounts might not run as deeply as others. And there is NO way Congress will pass a law dealing with campaign finance reform. I mean look at what the President said as a candidate about taking public money and then seeing how much he could raise on his own and bagged that immediately.

And I don't think regular citizens have a say right now and before the decision of the Court.