Abu Jamal back on death row

[musclemann]

You will never get it Raceman. Why would an article mention a mostly white jury??? Cant answer that without going off on your usual tangent. Looks like the race card gets thrown out and when I call em on it you get all defensive.

Keep racism alive MM, you are probably the same type who wants this POS free just because of race.

If someone as fair as kaz can see through your high jinks and he actually said it ALWAYS HAS TO DO WITH RACE WHEN IT COMES TO FLARE.Other people have noticed your propensity to posts articles related to race based subjects where there is always a black or minority villain. That is your m.o.

You think like your typical prejudiced brothers here (you know who they are) who believe that all blacks commit crime, live on welfare,and they dont want anything good out of life. But dont feel bad flare because a couple of your brothers around here feel the same way as you do and they dont even try to hide it.
So go search wide and far and see if you can bring us another article as thought provoking as this one. Make sure you skip over the other stories where the villains werent minorities because your hate brothers might become disappointed in you.

Did someone of color do something so terrible to you that you need to keep this up?

[flarendep1]

If someone as fair as kaz can see through your high jinks and he actually said it ALWAYS HAS TO DO WITH RACE WHEN IT COMES TO FLARE.Other people have noticed your propensity to posts articles related to race based subjects where there is always a black or minority villain. That is your m.o.

You think like your typical prejudiced brothers here (you know who they are) who believe that all blacks commit crime, live on welfare,and they dont want anything good out of life. But dont feel bad flare because a couple of your brothers around here feel the same way as you do and they dont even try to hide it.
So go search wide and far and see if you can bring us another article as thought provoking as this one. Make sure you skip over the other stories where the villains werent minorities because your hate brothers might become disappointed in you.

Did someone of color do something so terrible to you that you need to keep this up?

I hate all cop killers, white ar black, don't you?? I post lots of articles of interest........... didnt you post one about how dumb Sarah Palin is??? She is white, does that make you racist. Same logic.

Your socialist President and the liberal press are dying because they are being exposed. Maybe that is my you are so hate filled.

[Jamaicanman]

This is for MM, and I realize this is off topic of the original post, but I do have to ask. Can anyone oppose Presdient Obama and his policies and his agenda without being racist?

[poskid]

The job of a news writer is to be descriptive. Calling it a mostly white jury was descriptive and 100% correct as far as how the reporting should have been. If the writer left it out, the first question asked would have been, what did the jury look like?

Your question reveals your personal advocation of a double standard Kaz. Why does the jury have to be mostly white or mostly black? Last time I checked juries were made up of peers. Is the writer suggesting that only a black jury should have the right to judge a black man because we are somehow different? you seem to believe that the statement is 100% pertinent. To be honest with you if the writer had simply left the phrase out I never would have thought twice about it. Why would you?

PK

[baseballdave]

This is for MM, and I realize this is off topic of the original post, but I do have to ask. Can anyone oppose Presdient Obama and his policies and his agenda without being racist?

i basically asked MM the same question the other day and he still hasn't given me an answer.

again - If Obama was white and of a different political party, would you still say that what he has done with the health care bill and spending, etc., is good for the country?


and also MM, this is a quote from you to flare - "Its so funny that flare and his other southern buddies love to throw around the race card when without a doubt theyre the ones with the most outright racists attitude that exist in this country"

well, i'm from Louisiana which is pretty southern and i am not racist. To me, that comment is VERY racist to all us "southern buddies" as you put it.

i could care less if Obama was black, white, pink or purple or if he is a democrat, republican, independent or whatever - what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong.
I don't want to hear "Give him a chance".
Answer my question .

[KazDog]

Your question reveals your personal advocation of a double standard Kaz. Why does the jury have to be mostly white or mostly black? Last time I checked juries were made up of peers. Is the writer suggesting that only a black jury should have the right to judge a black man because we are somehow different? you seem to believe that the statement is 100% pertinent. To be honest with you if the writer had simply left the phrase out I never would have thought twice about it. Why would you?

PK

The point is, it should have nothing to do with race. The race issue is more something you guys are making it out to be. It wouldn't matter if it was all or mostly black, or all or mostly white. The writer is trying to paint a picture for the reader. As a writer, you are the eyes of the reader, and it's your job to be as descriptive as possible. If you leave it out, a descriptive portion of the courtroom is left out.

So hypothetically speaking, I'll pose this question to you. If he was acquitted by an all black jury, would you want to know that information? I believe the same guys would be in here complaining liberal bias if the story made no mention of a mostly black jury with an acquittal.

Only people that are obsessed with race, would have a problem with the writer saying a mostly white jury convicted him in my opinion. It's pertinent to the story and any good writer should and would be descriptive like that.

KAZ

[10DimeBry]

facts of this case speak for themselves. this guy is a POS and should die. Give me a gun and i'd be happy to pull the trigger. This waste should get a bullet between his eyes. Put him down now.

[poskid]

The point is, it should have nothing to do with race. The race issue is more something you guys are making it out to be. It wouldn't matter if it was all or mostly black, or all or mostly white. The writer is trying to paint a picture for the reader. As a writer, you are the eyes of the reader, and it's your job to be as descriptive as possible. If you leave it out, a descriptive portion of the courtroom is left out.

So hypothetically speaking, I'll pose this question to you. If he was acquitted by an all black jury, would you want to know that information? I believe the same guys would be in here complaining liberal bias if the story made no mention of a mostly black jury with an acquittal.

Only people that are obsessed with race, would have a problem with the writer saying a mostly white jury convicted him in my opinion. It's pertinent to the story and any good writer should and would be descriptive like that.

KAZ

First off...I very rarely get into these racial arguments. To be honest they annoy me. I just thought that your comment was interesting. I dont necessarily disagree that many people would be screaming bloody murder if a black man was acquitted by a mostly black jury. I dont think there's any denying that some racism still exists.

The problem I have is that you scream about racism in these threads and that the people posting them are OBVIOUSLY racist. To be honest with you I think Flare was simply pointing out what he sees as a media bias. And then gave his personal opinion that Mumia should have been executed long ago. I read almost all of the messages that come through the political board because it interests me. I dont think most of the mesages that you and MM find so offensive to be much more than a posting on what the person finds to be a double standard.

Just my .02

Have a nice day Kaz

PK

BTW-Mumia SHOULD have been executed long ago.

[KazDog]

i basically asked MM the same question the other day and he still hasn't given me an answer.

again - If Obama was white and of a different political party, would you still say that what he has done with the health care bill and spending, etc., is good for the country?


and also MM, this is a quote from you to flare - "Its so funny that flare and his other southern buddies love to throw around the race card when without a doubt theyre the ones with the most outright racists attitude that exist in this country"

well, i'm from Louisiana which is pretty southern and i am not racist. To me, that comment is VERY racist to all us "southern buddies" as you put it.

i could care less if Obama was black, white, pink or purple or if he is a democrat, republican, independent or whatever - what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong.
I don't want to hear "Give him a chance".
Answer my question .

Dave I'm going to take a stab at this, even though you didn't pose the question to me.

And I may be answering for others, but here's how I see it, after reading posts from everyone on here in these threads on a daily basis.....

As Liberals, or people who voted for Obama this past election, we may not be exactly happy how things have gone, nor do we think the country is going in the right direction completely at this point in the Obama administration or Congress for that matter.

However, we sat through 6 years of a Conservative Congress and 8 years of a Conservative president and we could do nothing but watch as the country was completely run into the ground. There wasn't this kind of complete outcry from Liberals at the time. I can't ever remember so much complaining on a daily basis and acting like the country was going to go to hell with no chance of repair. Ever. Lies, false emails, photos that poke fun of the race of the president or anything else that's gone on for the past year was so prevalent.

Mind you, we are talking about 8 long years of completely turning this country upside down with rampant spending, driving the deficit out of site, $5 a gallon gas prices, trillions of dollars for a bogus war and the subsequent deaths of thousands of innocent people. And basically starting a depression of the 2000's.

Most Conservatives did and said absolutely nothing during this period in our country. And yet in one short year, they have complained and cried more than the entire 8 years of one of the worse presidents in our country's history. The tables are not balanced as we see it. It be nice if some of the things that Liberals champion for are allowed to play out in the coming years, without all the bitching, and see where it takes us.

KAZ

[KazDog]

First off...I very rarely get into these racial arguments. To be honest they annoy me. I just thought that your comment was interesting. I dont necessarily disagree that many people would be screaming bloody murder if a black man was acquitted by a mostly black jury. I dont think there's any denying that some racism still exists.

The problem I have is that you scream about racism in these threads and that the people posting them are OBVIOUSLY racist. To be honest with you I think Flare was simply pointing out what he sees as a media bias. And then gave his personal opinion that Mumia should have been executed long ago. I read almost all of the messages that come through the political board because it interests me. I dont think most of the mesages that you and MM find so offensive to be much more than a posting on what the person finds to be a double standard.

Just my .02

Have a nice day Kaz

PK

BTW-Mumia SHOULD have been executed long ago.

Understood and I appreciate the tact of your post though I may not completely agree. I wasn't screaming in here, but more or less pointing out the objectives of the reporter.

KAZ

[Jamaicanman]

The point is, it should have nothing to do with race. The race issue is more something you guys are making it out to be. It wouldn't matter if it was all or mostly black, or all or mostly white. The writer is trying to paint a picture for the reader. As a writer, you are the eyes of the reader, and it's your job to be as descriptive as possible. If you leave it out, a descriptive portion of the courtroom is left out.

So hypothetically speaking, I'll pose this question to you. If he was acquitted by an all black jury, would you want to know that information? I believe the same guys would be in here complaining liberal bias if the story made no mention of a mostly black jury with an acquittal.

Only people that are obsessed with race, would have a problem with the writer saying a mostly white jury convicted him in my opinion. It's pertinent to the story and any good writer should and would be descriptive like that.

KAZ

Then why were the other "players" (judge, prosecution, defense, etc) races not written about if the writer was "painting a picture"? Surely they were key players too right?

[baseballdave]

Dave I'm going to take a stab at this, even though you didn't pose the question to me.

And I may be answering for others, but here's how I see it, after reading posts from everyone on here in these threads on a daily basis.....

As Liberals, or people who voted for Obama this past election, we may not be exactly happy how things have gone, nor do we think the country is going in the right direction completely at this point in the Obama administration or Congress for that matter.

However, we sat through 6 years of a Conservative Congress and 8 years of a Conservative president and we could do nothing but watch as the country was completely run into the ground. There wasn't this kind of complete outcry from Liberals at the time. I can't ever remember so much complaining on a daily basis and acting like the country was going to go to hell with no chance of repair. Ever. Lies, false emails, photos that poke fun of the race of the president or anything else that's gone on for the past year was so prevalent.

Mind you, we are talking about 8 long years of completely turning this country upside down with rampant spending, driving the deficit out of site, $5 a gallon gas prices, trillions of dollars for a bogus war and the subsequent deaths of thousands of innocent people. And basically starting a depression of the 2000's.

Most Conservatives did and said absolutely nothing during this period in our country. And yet in one short year, they have complained and cried more than the entire 8 years of one of the worse presidents in our country's history. The tables are not balanced as we see it. It be nice if some of the things that Liberals champion for are allowed to play out in the coming years, without all the bitching, and see where it takes us.

KAZ

Kaz,
Thanks for at least answering the question, even though it wasn't posed to you.
I posed it to MM because he is always calling everyone that doesn't agree with him a racist. I could be wrong, and MM, I apologize if I am, but MM strikes me as someone who could care less what Obama has done. He feels Obama is right and can do no wrong BECAUSE he is a minority president. My point with MM is that if Obama was white, and of a different political party would he feel the same.

I get upset when people vote or defend politicians, such as Bush and Obama, strictly because they are a Democrat or Republican or because they are black or white.

Bush got us trillions in debt, I agree. But Kaz, Obama has done the same in one year, and you know that is true. I truly hope that the next 3 years are better.
I am not anti Obama because he is black or because of his political affiliation. I am anti Obama because there has been zero improvement since he took office. I know its hard to change things immediately, but we have continued to go backwards with no forward progress at all.
I never blasted Obama when he first took office. I know many on here did, and that wasn't fair. But in one year, it hasn't gotten any better, just worse in my opinion.

I don't vote party or race. I vote based upon who I feel will do the best job. I know devout Dems and Reps think that is stupid because you have to "vote party" because "we have the right ideals." I just don't by that. I'm probably the naive one, but just like in coaching, I feel the best player should start, regardless of race, salary, etc.

Again, I truly hope it gets better, but I can't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong.

Again, my whole point was to see if MM could answer what you did. He might chime in now and agree with you. But he accuses everyone who doesn't agree with him as racist and he is as guilty as the ones he is accusing in my opinion.
MM, if I am wrong, I apoligize, but its just the view I see from reading these posts.
Dave

[Jamaicanman]

Dave I'm going to take a stab at this, even though you didn't pose the question to me.

And I may be answering for others, but here's how I see it, after reading posts from everyone on here in these threads on a daily basis.....

As Liberals, or people who voted for Obama this past election, we may not be exactly happy how things have gone, nor do we think the country is going in the right direction completely at this point in the Obama administration or Congress for that matter.

However, we sat through 6 years of a Conservative Congress and 8 years of a Conservative president and we could do nothing but watch as the country was completely run into the ground. There wasn't this kind of complete outcry from Liberals at the time. I can't ever remember so much complaining on a daily basis and acting like the country was going to go to hell with no chance of repair. Ever. Lies, false emails, photos that poke fun of the race of the president or anything else that's gone on for the past year was so prevalent.

Mind you, we are talking about 8 long years of completely turning this country upside down with rampant spending, driving the deficit out of site, $5 a gallon gas prices, trillions of dollars for a bogus war and the subsequent deaths of thousands of innocent people. And basically starting a depression of the 2000's.

Most Conservatives did and said absolutely nothing during this period in our country. And yet in one short year, they have complained and cried more than the entire 8 years of one of the worse presidents in our country's history. The tables are not balanced as we see it. It be nice if some of the things that Liberals champion for are allowed to play out in the coming years, without all the bitching, and see where it takes us.

KAZ

Wow, I wouldn't even know where to begin with that!

The $5 a gallon gas was for how long? And in comparison to some of the lowest prices in years for how long? Dow at an all-time high and unemployment at historic lows seem to be forgotten about. Home ownership at peaks, productivity levels high, etc. And add in a little thing called 9/11 that threw things off just a little. I mean you make it sound like it was 8 years of hell but I seem to recall the last year or two being the problem years economically.

And to say President Bush was not lampooned, mocked, ridiculed and protested DAILY shortly after the start of the wars is a little off imo. SNL, nightly news, "pundits' , Michael Moore movies, Code pink protests, etc were the norm. No large domestic agenda was passed with the "Conservative Congress" you talk of either.

President Bush was given some rope early on b/c of 9/11, but not too long after is when all hel broke loose. And this is not being written in any way defending any policies of President Bush, but addressing your interesting post.

[KazDog]

Then why were the other "players" (judge, prosecution, defense, etc) races not written about if the writer was "painting a picture"? Surely they were key players too right?

In my opinion, singularly pointing out the race of a judge or the prosecution or the defense, would definitely be making race the primary issue of the story. "A mostly white jury convicted him as a black judge and white prosecutor watched."

It's a jury of your peers. Were your peers all/mostly white, all/mostly black? To carry it beyond that is definitely drawing attention to race.

KAZ

[Jamaicanman]

In my opinion, singularly pointing out the race of a judge or the prosecution or the defense, would definitely be making race the primary issue of the story. "A mostly white jury convicted him as a black judge and white prosecutor watched."

It's a jury of your peers. Were your peers all/mostly white, all/mostly black? To carry it beyond that is definitely drawing attention to race.

KAZ

I guess when you only see "white jury" and "white police officer" with "racially tinged", it could make someone wonder.