obama and democrats about lose in massachusetts

[flarendep1]

And Kaz,

I commend you for being the first from your side to talk about this.

Grandma, Weiner and others were lurking on the forum last night I noticed but never posted. Not that I can blame them, it is an embarassing defeat for Obama and the party.

[KazDog]

Good points but you forgot to mention she had a 20 point lead in December.

The shit hit the fan when Ried, Pelosi and Obama cut backroom deals with Landreau and Nelson to buy thier votes. So much for transparency.

Brown got a bump when Obama hit the campaign trail for her.........how do you explain that??


Healthcare is dead because many in your party will not walk the plank for his agenda and will have to consider thier own elections. Stay tuned

Don't count on a health care bill being dead. But you can hope.......

And how can I explain her losing the lead? Voters realized she had absolutely little appeal to them. Every story I've read said she was distant and cold towards voters. She thought she could win this just because it was a Lib seat for so long. The closer the election got and the more she was exposed for being a cold fish, the more it slipped away. Like I said, Brown appealed to Independents far better and they amass 50% of the voters. He did a good job of concealing any hard line Conservative ideology he had. It's not quite the Liberal stronghold that many believe when you have that many registered Independents. It was a seat that Kennedy had locked up for years.

KAZ

[grandmama]

I'm done with politics. I realize that they're all in on it together. nobody in power wants to change anything. the dems choose a candidate to run that's beatable. why not run one of ted's relatives? they would have won. as i've stated before, i support candidates like: Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, and Nader. All the other jokers are working together. people need to wake up and realize everything the corp media tells you is not the truth, no matter if you're watching MSNBC or FOX news. All they do on those networks is talk in sound bites, and get the same guest on there that are acting like experts, but they're not. they're actors reading from a script. The two party system in america is a joke. the media knows how to "wag the dog" with the American public though.

[KazDog]

And Kaz,

I commend you for being the first from your side to talk about this.

Grandma, Weiner and others were lurking on the forum last night I noticed but never posted. Not that I can blame them, it is an embarassing defeat for Obama and the party.

I'm not going to diminish this win for the Conservative party. It was a good win and a wake up call for the Democrats in office. I think it could be a positive thing in the weeks to come. Congrats to you all that are hard liners....

Health care reform is definitely not off the table. I just hope they don't rush something through just to get it passed and it's not what it could or should be. Stay tuned!

KAZ

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[harold_bush]

Don't count on a health care bill being dead. But you can hope.......

And how can I explain her losing the lead? Voters realized she had absolutely little appeal to them. Every story I've read said she was distant and cold towards voters. She thought she could win this just because it was a Lib seat for so long. The closer the election got and the more she was exposed for being a cold fish, the more it slipped away. Like I said, Brown appealed to Independents far better and they amass 50% of the voters. He did a good job of concealing any hard line Conservative ideology he had. It's not quite the Liberal stronghold that many believe when you have that many registered Independents. It was a seat that Kennedy had locked up for years.

KAZ

With all due respect............ This election had VERY little to do with the candidates and everything to do with the direction of the Obama administration. Healthcare and the shady deals are what turned this election. It is also absolute BS that Mass isn't a liberal stronghold. Obama won this state by a whoping 26 points and it is consistently one of the most liberal states.......the majority of the northeast for that matter is.

Also needed to make a correction, before yesterday your statement about conservatives hoping healthcare would die was accurate. Today, liberals are the one having to hope health care isn't dead.

If a republican can win a senate seat in Mass....something that hasn't been done in nearly 40 years.....Dems can't feel safe about any other seat in the rest of the country.

Look on the bright side Kaz, while your liberal blinders won't allow you to see it, what happened last night saved this country from an absolute disaster. As an American that should make you happy.

[bwade210]

So you're comparing the over one million people that were displaced from Katrina, which was a storm that blew over in 36 hours and killed over 2500 people, to the multiple storms in the midwest over an extended period of time that killed less than 100 and displaced thousands? And by the way, they received federal monies and aid just like they did for Katrina. I'd like to see the figures of displaced Americans from that of Katrina.

And how is the president responsible when local government is completely overwhelmed in such a short time frame such as Katrina? You have to even ask that? Of course he's responsible. Bush was barely aware of the situation in New Orleans until after a few days had passed. The two aren't even remotely comparable.

And if you're going to call someone an idiot, you should know the difference between your and you're.

KAZ

OK< then you are a fucking idiot. "Its Bush's fault, its all Bush's fault" The citizens were warned of the hurricane days prior to landfall. When it blew over Florida (my house) days before the Weather Channel amongst other predicted landfall around the Louisiana Texas area. The difference between the flood in the mid west and Katrina was the lack of rioting, raping, criminal behavior and demand for tax payer money that the scum bags of New Orleans demanded. "Bush , Bush, Bush....it is all his fault. Waah wahaaha." Fuck you...

[wayne1218]

bwade, Enough of the name calling. We brought this forum back with CLEAR Rules and they will be followed.

[Jamaicanman]

I'm not going to diminish this win for the Conservative party. It was a good win and a wake up call for the Democrats in office. I think it could be a positive thing in the weeks to come. Congrats to you all that are hard liners....

Health care reform is definitely not off the table. I just hope they don't rush something through just to get it passed and it's not what it could or should be. Stay tuned!

KAZ

I don't think there are a ton of options other then for the House to swallow the Senate bill with promises the changes will happen quickly through reconciliation. I think it is a heavy lift for Pelosi to get her liberal allies to buy this though it is better for them then the alternative.

I also think that people in Mass who have their health care do realize they are one of the highest payers and don't want to see the country going down the same poor road. I think people in Mass are happy they have health care for most, but do't like the problems that come with it and they saw the US going the same way.

As far as Brown concealing his conservative views, I didn't follow his campaign closely enough to comment. I do know that he didn't bring in any Washington "outsiders" other then a late visit from Gulianni I think. And he was smart enough to paint her as a Washington "insider" with visits from the President and frmer President Clinton.

[KazDog]

With all due respect............ This election had VERY little to do with the candidates and everything to do with the direction of the Obama administration. Healthcare and the shady deals are what turned this election. It is also absolute BS that Mass isn't a liberal stronghold. Obama won this state by a whoping 26 points and it is consistently one of the most liberal states.......the majority of the northeast for that matter is.

Also needed to make a correction, before yesterday your statement about conservatives hoping healthcare would die was accurate. Today, liberals are the one having to hope health care isn't dead.

If a republican can win a senate seat in Mass....something that hasn't been done in nearly 40 years.....Dems can't feel safe about any other seat in the rest of the country.

Look on the bright side Kaz, while your liberal blinders won't allow you to see it, what happened last night saved this country from an absolute disaster. As an American that should make you happy.

Thanks for all your hear say and conjecture. I'm hoping it passes? I said since yesterday and the same goes for today, DON'T COUNT YOUR CHICKENS BEFORE THEY'RE HATCHED.

Jamaicaman posted don't assume it won't pass. And to that I said, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. You love putting words in people's mouths. Nice try Bush. Wouldn't expect anything less from you.

Mass leans to the Liberal side, but why are there so many registered Independents? 50%??? One candidate was a poor choice for voters and the other appealed to the Independents on the fence. Couple that with a mini universal health care system in place in Mass and voters not wanting another plan on top of that and you have the results we did. You spin it your way, I'll spin it mine!

[KazDog]

I don't think there are a ton of options other then for the House to swallow the Senate bill with promises the changes will happen quickly through reconciliation. I think it is a heavy lift for Pelosi to get her liberal allies to buy this though it is better for them then the alternative.

I also think that people in Mass who have their health care do realize they are one of the highest payers and don't want to see the country going down the same poor road. I think people in Mass are happy they have health care for most, but do't like the problems that come with it and they saw the US going the same way.

As far as Brown concealing his conservative views, I didn't follow his campaign closely enough to comment. I do know that he didn't bring in any Washington "outsiders" other then a late visit from Gulianni I think. And he was smart enough to paint her as a Washington "insider" with visits from the President and frmer President Clinton.

There are a few, but not many. Some say changes and reconciliation and some say negotiations before Brown is seated. Like Jon Stewart commented the other night, "Why was Bush able to do whatever the fuck he pleased while having a far less substantial majority in Congress?"

KAZ

[Jamaicanman]

There are a few, but not many. Some say changes and reconciliation and some say negotiations before Brown is seated. Like Jon Stewart commented the other night, "Why was Bush able to do whatever the fuck he pleased while having a far less substantial majority in Congress?"

KAZ

There is no way, imo, they try and get something through the Senate before seating Brown. Even Webb from VA was against that in a statement right after the Brown victory. And I highly doubt any vulnerable Senate Dems agree to it either.

[wayne1218]

I still can't believe Massachusetts voted in a Republican!!!

It would be like the Clippers, Browns, Royals and Thrashers all winning a Title in the same year. It just doesn't happen!!!

Scott Brown

[KazDog]

There is no way, imo, they try and get something through the Senate before seating Brown. Even Webb from VA was against that in a statement right after the Brown victory. And I highly doubt any vulnerable Senate Dems agree to it either.

I agree. That's why I said more than likely the House won't just swallow the Senate bill. If they were going to do that, I think it would be done before Brown is seated. They may still end up with the Senate Bill but only after changes are made. Time will tell....

KAZ

[Jamaicanman]

I agree. That's why I said more than likely the House won't just swallow the Senate bill. If they were going to do that, I think it would be done before Brown is seated. They may still end up with the Senate Bill but only after changes are made. Time will tell....

KAZ

Well as you know the House can't change the Senate version w/o sending it (the bill with changes) back to the Senate. Unless this happens in days, which I doubt, then the House is going to suck and swallow the Senate version as is.