Obama approval rating dropping like a stone

[BigWeiner]

[BearDown]

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports



His Job approval is at 44%



I heard he rated himself as a B+ on some show


Dude is in denial.

Sounds a lot like the guy that just left the office. DENIAL!

[ctt8410]

Back in 2007, they said the Artic lost about 25% of its ice to melting, which was the 'lowest levels on record', yet, Records only date back to 1972.

In 2008, the ice not only returned, but returned 10 to 20 cm thicker than ever before.

The ice caps are indeed thicker and larger than in 2007, but still below the levels measured in 2006 and before. Another problem is that a significant portion of the base ice melted in 2007 leaving the caps more susceptible to melting in the future.

Let's try this. Can we at least agree that carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere are increasing since the Industrial Revolution? If so, then what's a logical reason for why this wouldn't create warming?

[husker]

Why is it OK to quote the Shanghai Daily here and it is credible, but in another thread you criticise people for quoting from other papers and sources such as this?

they are only credible when HE is using them. he has no credibility . i just laugh or don't even read most of his posts.

[flarendep1]

So the ice caps have been in existence for 3 million years, and yet scientists are predicting that they will be almost completely gone in 20-30 years. That was quoted from Harolds story. "Others said that, even if quoted correctly, Dr Maslowski’s six-year projection for near-ice-free conditions is at the extreme end of the scale. Most climate scientists agree that a 20 to 30-year timescale is more likely for the near-disappearance of sea ice". Maybe more, maybe less. But I guess we're to assume that we humans had nothing to do with that.

Why was Greenland once green farm land, Iceland too? This was just centuries ago before the industrial age.

The largest factor on our weather is the sun, not human emissions. Get real Man, this is out of our control.

Lets put this in gambling terms. Lets say it is a even over/ under bet. My bet would be on the ice still there after the 20-30 years these biased scientists say. I take the over.

These climate Scientists feed on grant money, course they will say the sky is falling and we need more research money. Its called fear mongering and Al Gore is the King.

[insidethe8thpol]

He looks just like the other guy

[harold_bush]

interesting read.

Daily Express | UK News :: Climate change is natural: 100 reasons why

[BigWeiner]

He looks just like the other guy

At least somebody found that funny. I was laughing when I posted it.

[insidethe8thpol]

At least somebody found that funny. I was laughing when I posted it.

If he had him in a stroller and walked into a store, I'll bet any amount that all would say, "he looks just like you"

[insidethe8thpol]

The ice caps are indeed thicker and larger than in 2007, but still below the levels measured in 2006 and before. Another problem is that a significant portion of the base ice melted in 2007 leaving the caps more susceptible to melting in the future.

Let's try this. Can we at least agree that carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere are increasing since the Industrial Revolution? If so, then what's a logical reason for why this wouldn't create warming?

I am not a scientist.

The earth has always gone through cycles, why is it so different now ?

What is the REAL Data ?? Who has it ?? Who is just making shit up ??

[husker]

The largest factor on our weather is the sun, not human emissions. Get real Man, this is out of our control.

bingo!



but since you can't change the suns cycles and make money on it, most people won't talk about this.

[ctt8410]

I am not a scientist.

The earth has always gone through cycles, why is it so different now ?

What is the REAL Data ?? Who has it ?? Who is just making shit up ??

The cycle we're seeing right now is unlike the natural cycles that we've observed throughout history and it corresponds with man-made influences. This is no coincidence.

A good place to start if you want the real data are the websites of the IPCC, UKCIP, and CSIRO. Don't listen to Al Gore, don't listen to Glenn Beck, don't listen to random youtube videos. Read the published research and then decide for yourself.

[ctt8410]

bingo!



but since you can't change the suns cycles and make money on it, most people won't talk about this.

That's like saying the main reason for a heart attack is your heart. Well yeah, sure it is, but the double cheeseburgers, bad genes, and 2 packs a day didn't exactly help. We talk about the things we can control precisely because we can control them.

[flarendep1]

That's like saying the main reason for a heart attack is your heart. Well yeah, sure it is, but the double cheeseburgers, bad genes, and 2 packs a day didn't exactly help. We talk about the things we can control precisely because we can control them.

Good point but at what cost??? I tend to believe that we have such little control and impact on the earth's temperature any action or inaction would be negligible.

The real problem I have iis Al Gore is not a scientist and is predicting the future like he knows for sure. No one knows for sure and when people say:

Global Warming is a fact.
People are causing it.
The ice caps will melt totally.

And this one kills me:

The debate is over. (Why, what are they hiding from us?) How close minded is that?

30 years ago they were predicting an Ice Age. How did that work out?

[ctt8410]

At what cost is a good point. My argument would be that it's just like any other issue (terrorism, inflation, etc.), you take measured precautions in order to better avoid catastrophe.

Al Gore is a goofball. He has access to all the same information that we all have and he's no more of an expert on the issue. In my opinion, he's hurt the movement more than he's helped.

Here's what we know:
Carbon dioxide is the second-most important contributor to the greenhouse effect.
Carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere have been upward trending since the Industrial Revolution.
Global temperatures are on a coincidental upward trend.

I think this points to global warming, but I can understand that many people disagree.

I also agree that no one should be ignoring arguments against their stance and declaring the end of debate especially if they're confident in what they believe.