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  • Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP

    Seek to prolong bitter battle

    By Scott Helman
    Globe Staff / March 17, 2008
    For a party that loves to hate the Clintons, Republican voters have cast an awful lot of ballots lately for Senator Hillary Clinton: About 100,000 GOP loyalists voted for her in Ohio, 119,000 in Texas, and about 38,000 in Mississippi, exit polls show.

    more stories like thisA sudden change of heart? Hardly.

    Since Senator John McCain effectively sewed up the GOP nomination last month, Republicans have begun participating in Democratic primaries specifically to vote for Clinton, a tactic that some voters and local Republican activists think will help their party in November. With every delegate important in the tight Democratic race, this trend could help shape the outcome if it continues in the remaining Democratic primaries open to all voters.

    Spurred by conservative talk radio, GOP voters who say they would never back Clinton in a general election are voting for her now for strategic reasons: Some want to prolong her bitter nomination battle with Barack Obama, others believe she would be easier to beat than Obama in the fall, or they simply want to register objections to Obama.

    "It's as simple as, I don't think McCain can beat Obama if Obama is the Democratic choice," said Kyle Britt, 49, a Republican-leaning independent from Huntsville, Texas, who voted for Clinton in the March 4 primary. "I do believe Hillary can mobilize enough [anti-Clinton] people to keep her out of office."

    Britt, who works in financial services, said he is certain he will vote for McCain in November.

    About 1,100 miles north, in Granville, Ohio, Ben Rader, a 66-year-old retired entrepreneur, said he voted for Clinton in Ohio's primary to further confuse the Democratic race. "I'm pretty much tired of the Clintons, and to see her squirm for three or four months with Obama beating her up, it's great, it's wonderful," he said. "It broke my heart, but I had to."

    Local Republican activists say stories like these abound in Texas, Ohio, and Mississippi, the three states where the recent surge in Republicans voting for Clinton was evident.

    Until Texas and Ohio voted on March 4, Obama was receiving far more support than Clinton from GOP voters, many of whom have said in interviews that they were willing to buck their party because they like the Illinois senator. In eight Democratic contests in January and February where detailed exit polling data were available on Republicans, Obama received, on average, about 57 percent of voters who identified themselves as Republicans. Clinton received, on average, a quarter of the Republican votes cast in those races.

    But as February gave way to March, the dynamics shifted in both parties' contests: McCain ran away with the Republican race, and Obama, after posting 10 straight victories following Super Tuesday, was poised to run away with the Democratic race. That is when Republicans swung into action.

    Conservative radio giant Rush Limbaugh said on Fox News on Feb. 29 that he was urging conservatives to cross over and vote for Clinton, their bĂȘte noire nonpareil, "if they can stomach it."

    more stories like this"I want our party to win. I want the Democrats to lose," Limbaugh said. "They're in the midst of tearing themselves apart right now. It is fascinating to watch. And it's all going to stop if Hillary loses."

    He added, "I know it's a difficult thing to do to vote for a Clinton, but it will sustain this soap opera, and it's something I think we need."

    Limbaugh's exhortations seemed to work. In Ohio and Texas on March 4, Republicans comprised 9 percent of the Democratic primary electorate, more than twice the average GOP share of the turnout in the earlier contests where exit polling was conducted. Clinton ran about even with Obama among Republicans in both states, a far more favorable showing among GOP voters than in the early races.

    Walter Wilkerson, who has chaired the Republican Party in Montgomery County, Texas, since 1964, said many local conservatives chose to vote for Clinton for strategic reasons.

    "These people felt that Clinton would be maybe the easier opponent in the fall," he said. "That remains to be seen."

    Wilkerson added, "We have not experienced any crossover of this magnitude since I can remember."

    In the Mississippi primary last Tuesday, Republicans made up 12 percent of voters who took a Democratic ballot - their biggest proportion in any state yet - and they went for Clinton over Obama by a 3-to-1 margin.

    John Taylor, the GOP chairman in Madison County, said he toured various precincts and witnessed Republican voters taking Democratic ballots to vote for Clinton.

    "Some people there that I recognized voting said, 'Hey, I'm going to vote in this primary this year, right now. But don't worry, in November I'll be back,' " Taylor said. "They were going to do some damage if they could."

    Another popular conservative radio host, Laura Ingraham, who had also encouraged voters to cast ballots for Clinton, crowed about her apparent success the day after Ohio and Texas voted.

    "Without a doubt, Rush, and to a lesser extent me, had some effect on the Republican turnout," Ingraham told Fox News. "When you look at those exit polls, it is really quite striking."

    Some political blogs have suggested that the influx of Clinton-voting Republicans prevented Obama from winning delegates he otherwise would have, by inflating Clinton's totals both statewide and in certain congressional districts. A writer for the liberal blog Daily Kos estimated that Obama could have netted an additional five delegates from Mississippi.

    It is also possible, though perhaps unlikely, that enough strategically minded Republicans voted for Clinton in Texas to give her a crucial primary victory there: Clinton received roughly 119,000 GOP votes in Texas, according to exit polls, and she beat Obama by about 101,000 votes.

    Not everyone casting ballots for Clinton did so primarily to sink her, however. Brent Henslee, 33, a Republican who works at a radio station in Waco, Texas, wanted to keep Clinton in the race to expose more about Obama, whom he sees as more "fluff than substance."

    "I'm not buying into all the Obama-mania, is the main reason I did it," he said. "A lot of these people don't know a thing about this guy and they're crazy about him. And I thought that maybe keeping Hillary alive will just shed some more light on the guy."

    Of the nine remaining major contests, four - Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Oregon, and South Dakota - have "closed" primaries, which means only Democrats can participate.

    If Republicans and conservative independents continue their tactical voting, it may be more likely in Indiana, Montana, and Puerto Rico, which allow anyone to vote, and possibly in North Carolina and West Virginia, which open their primaries to Democrats and independent voters.

    "If you are a Republican you could pull a Democrat ballot and vote for the Democrat presidential candidate you think will stand the least chance of beating McCain in the fall general election," the assistant editor of the Greene County Daily World, in southwestern Indiana, wrote in a blog post earlier this month.

    Meanwhile, Clinton, despite trailing Obama in delegates, is projecting confidence about her chances as the nomination race careens toward the April 22 Pennsylvania primary. The morning after her big wins in Ohio and Texas, she was asked on Fox News whether she had a message for Limbaugh.

    "Be careful what you wish for, Rush," she said with a grin.

    Scott Helman can be reached at [email protected]

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    Looks like Republicans are scared of Obama plus voting for him.

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    • #3
      Rusch Limbaugh is my hero

      PS I have a secret crush on him

      Signed,
      JordanRules23

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      • #4
        Originally posted by BettorsChat


        Looks like Republicans are scared of Obama plus voting for him.
        I think this move has just as much of a chance to backfire a bit, since clinton and obama campaigning and beating each other up with dominate the headlines for the remaining primary season. Mccain will get limited press and coverage, and will have alot of catching up to do in the media come general election time. And since imo he will be running a campaign on a compare and contrast to whichever other candidate he faces, the limited press might come back to hurt him. You would think they would have learned from guiliani's gameplan that made him invisible during the primary season.
        Can Barack tell me what a "typical" white person is please?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by dakingisdead
          I think this move has just as much of a chance to backfire a bit, since clinton and obama campaigning and beating each other up with dominate the headlines for the remaining primary season. Mccain will get limited press and coverage, and will have alot of catching up to do in the media come general election time. And since imo he will be running a campaign on a compare and contrast to whichever other candidate he faces, the limited press might come back to hurt him. You would think they would have learned from guiliani's gameplan that made him invisible during the primary season.
          What Guiliani and his people did was absurd. He was the favorte, but waited until Florida to campaign. History shows that the winner of either or both? Iowa and New Hampshire go on to win the primaries.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BettorsChat
            What Guiliani and his people did was absurd. He was the favorte, but waited until Florida to campaign. History shows that the winner of either or both? Iowa and New Hampshire go on to win the primaries.
            Agreed, and will go down in history as one of the biggest blunders ever in politics. No press=no message. Same will be happening to mccain.
            Can Barack tell me what a "typical" white person is please?

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            • #7
              Long way to go boys, recent polls suggest McCain will beat either Dem candidate. Barack's affiliation with the racist "minister" is taking a toll.
              NBA is a joke

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              • #8
                Originally posted by flarendep1
                Long way to go boys, recent polls suggest McCain will beat either Dem candidate. Barack's affiliation with the racist "minister" is taking a toll.
                Mccain in a rout if clinton gets nomination as black backlash will be too big to overcome..mccain vs obama would be a close matchup if mccain gets the same treatment in the press as obama, or obama rout if press stays pro-obama.
                Can Barack tell me what a "typical" white person is please?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by flarendep1
                  Long way to go boys, recent polls suggest McCain will beat either Dem candidate. Barack's affiliation with the racist "minister" is taking a toll.

                  well that shouldve eliminated 100 percent of all of the presidents if that was the case. you and jordan rules know each other....guess that would eliminate both of you from running also.


                  i guess because this minister decided to make some controversial remarks that eliminates him. you know what eliminates him in your eyes.
                  Last edited by musclemann; 03-18-2008, 12:06 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JESSEJACKSONmusclemannSHARPTON
                    well that shouldve eliminated 100 percent of all of the presidents if that was the case. you and jordan rules know each other....guess that would eliminate both of you from running also.


                    i guess because this minister decided to make some controversial remarks that eliminates him. you know what eliminates him your eyes.
                    Come on MM, no one is trying to say this is a race issue here

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kbsooner21
                      Come on MM, no one is trying to say this is a race issue here
                      geraldine ferraro is
                      Can Barack tell me what a "typical" white person is please?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by kbsooner21
                        Come on MM, no one is trying to say this is a race issue here
                        Nice Joke KB

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                        • #13
                          MM, so you condone the racist's remarks? There is nothing controversial about the remarks, they are racist, period.

                          if you dont have a problem with these anti-white remarks then I would question your own morals. These ministers that preach hate and are making money off it disgust me. Sharpton / Jackson et al will keep the flames of racism alive, that is there job.

                          This issue may very well take down Barack, this is not some casual relationship. Read up on it.

                          HAHA, I know Jordan about like you know me.
                          NBA is a joke

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by flarendep1
                            MM, so you condone the racist's remarks? There is nothing controversial about the remarks, they are racist, period.

                            if you dont have a problem with these anti-white remarks then I would question your own morals. These ministers that preach hate and are making money off it disgust me. Sharpton / Jackson et al will keep the flames of racism alive, that is there job.

                            This issue may very well take down Barack, this is not some casual relationship. Read up on it.

                            HAHA, I know Jordan about like you know me.
                            The media is to blame for a lot of things as Controversy is what sells. Just look at that whore that screwed spitzer who has an offer of $1 million to pose nude. Plus she will make more on top of that.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BettorsChat
                              The media is to blame for a lot of things as Controversy is what sells. Just look at that whore that screwed spitzer who has an offer of $1 million to pose nude. Plus she will make more on top of that.
                              While I agree the same clips being shown over and over is getting a bit old, the media didn't make any of those comments. Obama is supposed to address it more tommorow.
                              Can Barack tell me what a "typical" white person is please?

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