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  • The $2 Trillion Nightmare

    By BOB HERBERT
    Published: March 4, 2008
    We’ve been hearing a lot about “Saturday Night Live” and the fun it has been having with the presidential race. But hardly a whisper has been heard about a Congressional hearing in Washington last week on a topic that could have been drawn, in all its tragic monstrosity, from the theater of the absurd.

    The war in Iraq will ultimately cost U.S. taxpayers not hundreds of billions of dollars, but an astonishing $2 trillion, and perhaps more. There has been very little in the way of public conversation, even in the presidential campaigns, about the consequences of these costs, which are like a cancer inside the American economy.

    On Thursday, the Joint Economic Committee, chaired by Senator Chuck Schumer, conducted a public examination of the costs of the war. The witnesses included the Nobel Prize-winning economist, Joseph Stiglitz (who believes the overall costs of the war — not just the cost to taxpayers — will reach $3 trillion), and Robert Hormats, vice chairman of Goldman Sachs International.

    Both men talked about large opportunities lost because of the money poured into the war. “For a fraction of the cost of this war,” said Mr. Stiglitz, “we could have put Social Security on a sound footing for the next half-century or more.”

    Mr. Hormats mentioned Social Security and Medicare, saying that both could have been put “on a more sustainable basis.” And he cited the committee’s own calculations from last fall that showed that the money spent on the war each day is enough to enroll an additional 58,000 children in Head Start for a year, or make a year of college affordable for 160,000 low-income students through Pell Grants, or pay the annual salaries of nearly 11,000 additional border patrol agents or 14,000 more police officers.

    What we’re getting instead is the stuff of nightmares. Mr. Stiglitz, a professor at Columbia, has been working with a colleague at Harvard, Linda Bilmes, to document, among other things, some of the less obvious costs of the war. These include the obligation to provide health care and disability benefits for returning veterans. Those costs will be with us for decades.

    Mr. Stiglitz noted that nearly 40 percent of the 700,000 troops from the first gulf war, which lasted just a month, have become eligible for disability benefits. The current war is approaching five years in duration.

    “Imagine then,” said Mr. Stiglitz, “what a war — that will almost surely involve more than 2 million troops and will almost surely last more than six or seven years — will cost. Already we are seeing large numbers of returning veterans showing up at V.A. hospitals for treatment, large numbers applying for disability and large numbers with severe psychological problems.”

    The Bush administration has tried its best to conceal the horrendous costs of the war. It has bypassed the normal budgetary process, financing the war almost entirely through “emergency” appropriations that get far less scrutiny.

    Even the most basic wartime information is difficult to come by. Mr. Stiglitz, who has written a new book with Ms. Bilmes called “The Three Trillion Dollar War,” said they had to go to veterans’ groups, who in turn had to resort to the Freedom of Information Act, just to find out how many Americans had been injured in Iraq.

    Mr. Stiglitz and Mr. Hormats both addressed the foolhardiness of waging war at the same time that the government is cutting taxes and sharply increasing non-war-related expenditures.

    Mr. Hormats told the committee:

    “Normally, when America goes to war, nonessential spending programs are reduced to make room in the budget for the higher costs of the war. Individual programs that benefit specific constituencies are sacrificed for the common good ... And taxes have never been cut during a major American war. For example, President Eisenhower adamantly resisted pressure from Senate Republicans for a tax cut during the Korean War.”

    Said Mr. Stiglitz: “Because the administration actually cut taxes as we went to war, when we were already running huge deficits, this war has, effectively, been entirely financed by deficits. The national debt has increased by some $2.5 trillion since the beginning of the war, and of this, almost $1 trillion is due directly to the war itself ... By 2017, we estimate that the national debt will have increased, just because of the war, by some $2 trillion.”

    Some former presidents — Washington, Franklin Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower — were quoted at the hearing on the need for accountability and shared sacrifice during wartime. But this is the 21st century. That ancient rhetoric can hardly be expected to compete for media attention, even in a time of war, with the giddy fun of S.N.L.

    It’s a new era.

  • #2
    I'm sick of all this woulda coulda shit. It's easy to play Monday morning quarterback. Let's hear some solutions...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by kbsooner21
      I'm sick of all this woulda coulda shit. It's easy to play Monday morning quarterback. Let's hear some solutions...
      Let's hear some since you're sick of all the coulda woulda shit.

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      • #4
        Definitely not a talking point from anyone.
        But, it is and will not be the most expensive war when compared as a percentage of GDP, which in my opinion, is a more accurate representation of monetary cost.
        Can Barack tell me what a "typical" white person is please?

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        • #5
          What would another 9-11 type hit do to our economy? We can't afford to lose this war on terror. If the Dems take control, they are not dumb enough to pull out either, just watch.

          Unfortunately, war has been, and will continue to shape our world. Right now, Chavez is starting shit in Columbia. As long as you have dictator run countries, this kind of shit will continue.

          Thanks to the USA, there is hope for standing up against the tyranny and terrorism. Who else will do it, the UN? LOL!
          NBA is a joke

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          • #6
            Originally posted by flarendep1
            What would another 9-11 type hit do to our economy? We can't afford to lose this war on terror. If the Dems take control, they are not dumb enough to pull out either, just watch.

            Unfortunately, war has been, and will continue to shape our world. Right now, Chavez is starting shit in Columbia. As long as you have dictator run countries, this kind of shit will continue.

            Thanks to the USA, there is hope for standing up against the tyranny and terrorism. Who else will do it, the UN? LOL!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by kbsooner21
              I guess he said what you couldn't say

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BettorsChat
                I guess he said what you couldn't say
                I don't claim to be a know it all. I just get tired of people playing Monday morning qb about this war. Quit bitching about it and fix it if it's so fucked up!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by flarendep1
                  What would another 9-11 type hit do to our economy? We can't afford to lose this war on terror. If the Dems take control, they are not dumb enough to pull out either, just watch.

                  Unfortunately, war has been, and will continue to shape our world. Right now, Chavez is starting shit in Columbia. As long as you have dictator run countries, this kind of shit will continue.

                  Thanks to the USA, there is hope for standing up against the tyranny and terrorism. Who else will do it, the UN? LOL!
                  That's laughable. You say who will stand up against tyranny and terrorism, while most of the world outside the US thinks we are the ones terrorizing. Many think we have the dictator who is pushing his values and virtues on people who don't necessarily want it. We have waged/started a war, unprovoked, against another country that is thousands of miles from our shores. And so far, we are really the ONLY country who gives a shit and who is spending trillions to be there.

                  The people in the Middle East hate us now more than ever. And why wouldn't they? Think of it like this. What would we do or think, if someone had battleships patrolling the seas all around our borders? What would we do if another country had missiles pointed at us in south America and Canada? What would we do if there was a war started by another country in Mexico? And why shouldn't they have them. We have killed innocent people in that region for years now by waging a war for weapons that were never found and Bin Laden who hasn't been found either.

                  We spend too much money and time trying to be the world's police. It's time to worry about the people in THIS country.

                  Spending money in this country to protect against things like 911 is much more understandable and worthy of tax payer dollars than spending trillions in other countries to protect who, against tyranny? Who the in the hell are we protecting by being over there? Not people in the US.It has nothing to do with 911. You want to protect us against 911, you spend millions in airport security, building security and intelligence agencies in THIS country. That's why there have been no hijacked plains. Because airport security has increased ten fold. Not because of the war in Iraq. Bullying around ONE country in the middle east has NOT put fear in terrorists. This has only damaged our image to the rest of the world. There are terrorists everywhere. So this war is going stop it? Please.....

                  Sheep.....
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                  I'm just here so I won't get fined....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by KazDog
                    That's laughable. You say who will stand up against tyranny and terrorism, while most of the world outside the US thinks we are the ones terrorizing. Many think we have the dictator who is pushing his values and virtues on people who don't necessarily want it. We have waged/started a war, unprovoked, against another country that is thousands of miles from our shores. And so far, we are really the ONLY country who gives a shit and who is spending trillions to be there.
                    .....
                    What about all the other countries that supported us going in after they thought Saddam has WMD's? If they think we are terrorizing so bad, why haven't they shut us down from importing/exporting in their countries? Why do they still call for help when they need it?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kbsooner21
                      I don't claim to be a know it all. I just get tired of people playing Monday morning qb about this war. Quit bitching about it and fix it if it's so fucked up!
                      Very simple

                      You get the Iraq troops ready/steady to take care of their own fucking country as we have enough of our own problems. And after all the time we've been over there if they aren't ready yet they will never be ready. Upon having Iraq troops ready you start deploying our mean back home.

                      Also you can set up a US embassy over there instead of military camps.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KazDog

                        The people in the Middle East hate us now more than ever. And why wouldn't they? Think of it like this. What would we do or think, if someone had battleships patrolling the seas all around our borders? What would we do if another country had missiles pointed at us in south America and Canada? What would we do if there was a war started by another country in Mexico? And why shouldn't they have them. We have killed innocent people in that region for years now by waging a war for weapons that were never found and Bin Laden who hasn't been found either.

                        .....
                        So I guess it's ok for them to send their suicide bombers over here and kill our innocent citizens yet hand them a free fucking pass! Get real...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BettorsChat
                          Very simple

                          You get the Iraq troops ready/steady to take care of their own fucking country as we have enough of our own problems. And after all the time we've been over there if they aren't ready yet they will never be ready. Upon having Iraq troops ready you start deploying our mean back home.

                          Also you can set up a US embassy over there instead of military camps.
                          We are working on getting the Iraq troops ready, they are just not there yet.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kbsooner21
                            What about all the other countries that supported us going in after they thought Saddam has WMD's? If they think we are terrorizing so bad, why haven't they shut us down from importing/exporting in their countries? Why do they still call for help when they need it?
                            They support us because we support them. Not because they 'believed' they had them. We were the ones telling everyone that they had them. They support us because we want our missiles in their country, and we give millions in aid to most of them....

                            KAZ
                            [email protected]

                            I'm just here so I won't get fined....

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KazDog
                              That's laughable. You say who will stand up against tyranny and terrorism, while most of the world outside the US thinks we are the ones terrorizing. Many think we have the dictator who is pushing his values and virtues on people who don't necessarily want it. We have waged/started a war, unprovoked, against another country that is thousands of miles from our shores. And so far, we are really the ONLY country who gives a shit and who is spending trillions to be there.

                              The people in the Middle East hate us now more than ever. And why wouldn't they? Think of it like this. What would we do or think, if someone had battleships patrolling the seas all around our borders? What would we do if another country had missiles pointed at us in south America and Canada? What would we do if there was a war started by another country in Mexico? And why shouldn't they have them. We have killed innocent people in that region for years now by waging a war for weapons that were never found and Bin Laden who hasn't been found either.

                              We spend too much money and time trying to be the world's police. It's time to worry about the people in THIS country.

                              Spending money in this country to protect against things like 911 is much more understandable and worthy of tax payer dollars than spending trillions in other countries to protect who, against tyranny? Who the in the hell are we protecting by being over there? Not people in the US.It has nothing to do with 911. You want to protect us against 911, you spend millions in airport security, building security and intelligence agencies in THIS country. That's why there have been no hijacked plains. Because airport security has increased ten fold. Not because of the war in Iraq. Bullying around ONE country in the middle east has NOT put fear in terrorists. This has only damaged our image to the rest of the world. There are terrorists everywhere. So this war is going stop it? Please.....

                              Sheep.....


                              To add another note we didn't go after Bin Laden. Only 10k-20k of troops went after Bin Laden the rest being sent to Iraq.

                              They also need to work on border control as terrorists can easily get through the border.

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