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[MtrCtyPimp]

I just saw this film by Michael Moore and am curious as to why we don't have national health care in this country....I mean shit if we are the richest country in the world why cant we treat our sick people without breaking them a new asshole

PEACE

[tonynico]

I just saw this film by Michael Moore and am curious as to why we don't have national health care in this country....I mean shit if we are the richest country in the world why cant we treat our sick people without breaking them a new asshole

PEACE

Don't know, but my fear would be if the government can't issues passports in an orderly fashion, imagine what they'd do with health care!

[MtrCtyPimp]

Don't know, but my fear would be if the government can't issues passports in an orderly fashion, imagine what they'd do with health care!

Shit man they have insurance all over Europe and even in Cuba....if we can spend a trillion in Iraq I dont see the problem with insuring our people, do you?

PEACE

[tonynico]

Shit man they have insurance all over Europe and even in Cuba....if we can spend a trillion in Iraq I dont see the problem with insuring our people, do you?

PEACE

I can't really give you a response to universal health care and other countries. In theory, I think it might be fine, but I would worry about the execution. If the bugs from other countries could be worked out (if possible), I think more people would push for it. It's easy to say, "we should have it", but when details like execution, costs, care, etc are put on the table; who knows?
I don't agree with your comment about "if we can spend a trillion in Iraq" though. Most everyone can agree we can't afford that debt. So to transfer money we don't have to something else is still spending money we don't have.

[MtrCtyPimp]

I can't really give you a response to universal health care and other countries. In theory, I think it might be fine, but I would worry about the execution. If the bugs from other countries could be worked out (if possible), I think more people would push for it. It's easy to say, "we should have it", but when details like execution, costs, care, etc are put on the table; who knows?
I don't agree with your comment about "if we can spend a trillion in Iraq" though. Most everyone can agree we can't afford that debt. So to transfer money we don't have to something else is still spending money we don't have.

Isnt every country on earth in debt? Not trying to be a smart ass...I just dont know the answer

PEACE

[tonynico]

Isnt every country on earth in debt? Not trying to be a smart ass...I just dont know the answer

PEACE

Yeah, but we were already in MAJOR debt prior to the war. And with SSI benefits coming up, Medicare obligations, Medicaid, etc., I just don't see how it can be afforded. Like I wrote earlier, if we don't have the money for the wars, then we certainly don't have the money for universal health care AND all the upcoming obligations. With that much due over the horizon, I will be amazed if we somehow stay out of a recession. Throw in the credit crunch and this BS government bailout of homeowners, and we don't have a pot to piss in!

[tonynico]

And I could be WAY off on this, but I seem to recall seeing an article where China (or some Asian country) is just about debt-free. This has allowed them to pay top dollar for oil, all in cash. Who would you rather sell to in a voilatile environment? The cash or credit type?

[MtrCtyPimp]

Yeah, but we were already in MAJOR debt prior to the war. And with SSI benefits coming up, Medicare obligations, Medicaid, etc., I just don't see how it can be afforded. Like I wrote earlier, if we don't have the money for the wars, then we certainly don't have the money for universal health care AND all the upcoming obligations. With that much due over the horizon, I will be amazed if we somehow stay out of a recession. Throw in the credit crunch and this BS government bailout of homeowners, and we don't have a pot to piss in!

I thought we were the richest country in the world? The way you make it sound is that we are screwed....old people will die broke, families will go broke and then be homeless and the country as a whole is screwed...doesnt sound too good.

I for one don't think its that bad and I think the govt. owes it to their citizens to provide them with health care...but thats just me

PEACE

[tonynico]

I thought we were the richest country in the world? The way you make it sound is that we are screwed....old people will die broke, families will go broke and then be homeless and the country as a whole is screwed...doesnt sound too good.

I for one don't think its that bad and I think the govt. owes it to their citizens to provide them with health care...but thats just me

PEACE

Again, I don't have enough knowledge to speak on the health care.
But if the government didn't bail out homeowners today, there would be devastation in this country. Do you know the financial obligations the government has committed? Medicare, SSI, prescriptions, etc. These are MASSIVE programs. I believe in the US, but I don't think we can grow ourselves out of it either. The US has gone from a manufacturing nation to a nation of outsourcing. What do we produce anymore? Tech is the future and most of those jos are overseas, so they already have a head start. And I agree it doesn't sound to good, and tough decisions are going to have to be made to meet those obligations.

[tonynico]

And not to be a wise-ass back, but what don't you see as "that bad"? I know unemployment is low, and stock market is reapproaching highs, but those are on a macro level. Consumer confidence is down, debt near all-time highs, people too stupid to get afordable mortgages and need to get bailed out, oil and gas very high early into winter, trade deficits are huge. Plus the programs mentioned earlier that are going to be tough to fund.

[MtrCtyPimp]

And not to be a wise-ass back, but what don't you see as "that bad"? I know unemployment is low, and stock market is reapproaching highs, but those are on a macro level. Consumer confidence is down, debt near all-time highs, people too stupid to get afordable mortgages and need to get bailed out, oil and gas very high early into winter, trade deficits are huge. Plus the programs mentioned earlier that are going to be tough to fund.

This is America man....its gets shitty for some time (recession) and then it booms again and its an ongoing cycle (proven by history)....I still think they need health care reform

PEACE

[tonynico]

Recession is a contraction for at least two quarters. America or not, this country is up a creek financially. And it's not all the current President's fault either. Some yes, some no. But the entitlement program's bills are coming due, foreign countries own a boatload of our bonds and we owe that interest on borrowed funds. Eventually all those bills come due and the time is around the corner. With fake wealth no longer available through housing, consumers will either cut back spending or go into more debt. Either scenario sucks.

[MtrCtyPimp]

Recession is a contraction for at least two quarters. America or not, this country is up a creek financially. And it's not all the current President's fault either. Some yes, some no. But the entitlement program's bills are coming due, foreign countries own a boatload of our bonds and we owe that interest on borrowed funds. Eventually all those bills come due and the time is around the corner. With fake wealth no longer available through housing, consumers will either cut back spending or go into more debt. Either scenario sucks.

Tech stocks dominated the mid to late 90s while the housing boom made people rich in the beginning of this decade but inevitably both bubbles burst....something else will come along, it always does.

PEACE

[tonynico]

Tech stocks dominated the mid to late 90s while the housing boom made people rich in the beginning of this decade but inevitably both bubbles burst....something else will come along, it always does.

PEACE

The somethng else will come along theory scares me though. Now I think the "next" thing should be alternative energies. Create it, master it, make it affordable and sell it to the world! Wishful thinking I kow, but I don't know what else there is.
Tech stocks and housing were both artificial gains and you see where most tech stocks from that time are. Pets.com? People couldn't buy enough of that!
And you see what the dumbasses who couldn't afford a mortgage and added to the housing bubble has done. This credit crunch hasn't seen it's worst time yet in my opinion.
After watching Miami light it up from the line onight, I am off to bed. (not with Jordan MM ) But it was nice having a civil conversation with someone in here! Goodnight

[vols fan]

Again, I don't have enough knowledge to speak on the health care.
But if the government didn't bail out homeowners today, there would be devastation in this country. Do you know the financial obligations the government has committed? Medicare, SSI, prescriptions, etc. These are MASSIVE programs. I believe in the US, but I don't think we can grow ourselves out of it either. The US has gone from a manufacturing nation to a nation of outsourcing. What do we produce anymore? Tech is the future and most of those jos are overseas, so they already have a head start. And I agree it doesn't sound to good, and tough decisions are going to have to be made to meet those obligations.

I dont think they bailed out many homeowners.I read a report that it's homeowners who bought a house from 2005-2007,was not late on payments and people who are capable of affording the higher rate.So the 750,000 homeowners it was supposed to help is now around 250,000.