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    This was a pretty good debate imo maybe because it was Hillary's worst showing, and Kucinich's best imo.

    Other than Hillary, and Obama who got the most face time through out the debate it was Kucinich imo that came out strong, smart, whitty, and funny.

    Congressman Kucinich, we are here to night in this beautifully and recently renovated Soldier Field, partially renovated due to about $400 million in taxpayer money. Should state and local -- and in some cases, by proxy anyway -- federal governments subsidize private businesses like sports teams by
    building them stadiums, when perhaps that choice is being made at the expense of infrastructure and bridges?

    KUCINICH: I have actually involved in that for many years. Here is what I said in Cleveland. Instead of spending $400 million or more for a stadium, why don't we just buy the team?
    (LAUGHTER) (APPLAUSE) I mean, really, you know, that's where the money is. So I think that we ought to be talking about an approach that gets people a return for their investment.

    Now, with respect to infrastructure, for the third time I have
    introduced a bill. This time it is H.R. 3400. It is a bipartisan
    bill. Congressman LaTourette of Ohio is with me on it.
    Here is what it will do. It will create millions of new jobs
    rebuilding America's infrastructure, rebuilding roads, water systems, sewer systems, bridges. I have been on this for many years. It will create jobs for laborers, for iron workers, for carpenters, for people who are involved in infrastructure -- millions of new jobs, and create a Federal Bank of Infrastructure Modernization.

    Now, the time to talk about infrastructure is a little bit late
    after Katrina. It is a little bit late after the bridge has fallen in
    Minneapolis. But I've been there and I understand the implication. Why do you need an infrastructure? You need an infrastructure so you can create a basis for jobs. I want a new American manufacturing policy where the maintenance of steel, automotive, aerospace and shipping is seen as vital to our national security.

    KUCINICH: And I want to see America take a new direction in
    trade as part of this, and that means it's time to get out of NAFTA and the WTO... (APPLAUSE) ... and have trade that's based on workers' rights: the right to organize, the right to collective bargaining, the right to strike...

    OLBERMANN: Congressman?

    KUCINICH: ... the right to decent wages and benefits, and on and on. I'm here as the workers' candidate. Thank you.
    OLBERMANN: Thank you, Congressman. And please -- and once again, we appreciate the applause and we appreciate the sincerity of your emotions, but the less applause we have, the more questions we can get in.

    He had the crowd going as you can read!

    And no doubt Kucinich had the best line of the night when asked about China and how much we are in their pocket.

    KUCINICH: The time to worry about China trade was really when some of my friends up here on the stage actually voted for most favored nation. Now, as president, my most favored nation is America.

    And I want to say, you know, there was a myth when I was growing up in Cleveland that if you dig a hole deep enough, you'll get to China. We're there.

    And we need to have a president that understands that... (APPLAUSE) ... and is ready to take a whole new direction and change trade
    with China. (APPLAUSE) Thank you very much. A working person's president. Thank you.

    I look for Kucinich to move up a couple of spots after this debate. I think he can take over Edwards.
    Last edited by BearDown; 08-08-2007, 09:24 PM.

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    bear, your guy has no shot. clinton will win and it wont be close. i just saw some highlights. i think Obama looked terrible when asked about his statement about going into Pakistan. he was trying to double talk and change what he said. i guess he didn't learn anything from Kerry as far as not taking a stand and sticking to it, wright or wrong. that's the biggest thing i hate about politicians, not taking a stand on a issue and sticking to it. i think most people respect someone that takes a stand on something, weather they agree with them or not.
    “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."

    Gerald Ford

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    • #3
      I don't know Husker. Kucinich has been getting a bit of a buzz lately, and Hillary has been getting booed lately. All the Dem candidates basicly have the same message other than Kucinich and Gravel. I don't see Gravel being in the race much longer but I hope he does stick around, because he doesn't make Kucinich look like the left wing nut everyone makes him out to be.

      The media never wants to say anything good about Kucinich. I was watching MSNBC and they had a guy out in the audience asking people who was speaking what they wanted to hear. And the guy said the candidate that they were talking about was Kucinich. I do have to add that when the guy asked the top union guys if they would indorse a candidate like Kucinich and they said it would not be likely. Even though Kucinich is a union member.

      Once some of these candidates start to drop out Kucinich 's message is going to get out more and more. That's what Hillary fears. That's why Hillary and Edwards were talking about getting some candidates knocked off the debates (Kucinich, Gravel). They have NOTHING ON KUCINICH!!!! BUT KUCINICH HAS SOMETHING ON THEM!!!! That's also why right wing radio is asking why is Kucinich still allowed in the debates. I'll tell you why, because he is a threat to all that is in this country. There is a better America with Kucinich as the President, and with Ron Paul as VP! And while I'm at it, put Nader as Secretary of State.

      Also rumor has it that Tommy Thompson and Brownback maybe dropping out soon, so I would look for Fred Thompson or Newt to jump in for the CLP. That stands for the Chicken little party AKA The GOP.
      Last edited by BearDown; 08-10-2007, 10:52 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by husker
        bear, your guy has no shot. clinton will win and it wont be close. i just saw some highlights. i think Obama looked terrible when asked about his statement about going into Pakistan. he was trying to double talk and change what he said. i guess he didn't learn anything from Kerry as far as not taking a stand and sticking to it, wright or wrong. that's the biggest thing i hate about politicians, not taking a stand on a issue and sticking to it. i think most people respect someone that takes a stand on something, weather they agree with them or not.

        I agree Husker. Hill will run all over the rest of the field as she is now. It's going to be an all NY general election...Rudy vs. Hillary.
        "Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have..." Thomas Jefferson

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        • #5
          bear, the reason your guy will never be elected is because he doesn't look like a strong leader. right or wrong, image is more important than anything to a presidential candidate. Nader fits right in with him.

          thats the problem with Forbes also.
          “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."

          Gerald Ford

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