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Originally posted by BettorsChat
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The Biggest joke of all Dems is the Mayor Nagan, he ran out on his own ppl and then said racist remarks and still got kudos from your party......jordanrules.................. -
Hey....why don't you REEP's read the following article. I'm tired of reading your stupid shit comments.....read the article and then defend Bush. He's a fucking coward who dodged a war then sent the countries sons and daughters to die...yeah, yeah liberal leftist bullshit..I know, I know. But who the fuck died and made you guys the rulers of the universe???? Read the article then come out and talk some more shit. Yes Frost is a "Dem"...but if you see anything in there that did not happen as he stated it, you come out and tell us what is false in the article. NO spinning it, just point out the false statement in the article. If you don't find anything..SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192069,00.html$100/unit
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Originally posted by KR-V3
The "Views" number 1 fanjordanrules..................Comment
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Originally posted by KR-V3
Then there was the widely publicized presidential statement about the CIA leak investigation when he told the press that he would not tolerate leaking of classified material (the identify of CIA agent Valerie Plame) and would punish anyone found to be involved in such a leak. It turns out that Vice President Cheney and President Bush himself authorized the leaking of previously classified material in an effort to discredit the contention of Plame’s husband former Ambassador Joe Wilson’s that Saddam Hussein had not attempted to buy “yellow cake” from the country of Niger as stated by President Bush.
she wasn't a undercover agent any more. MANY people knew she worked for the CIA. that isn't classified material! after a Dem investigation, NO ONE WAS CHARGED with leaking classified material! just a BS charge against Libby because he didn't get some dates correct just to save face.
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President Bush, in videotaped comments that have been widely broadcast, told the public that we were not spying on Americans without a search warrant. That, of course, turned out to be totally false when the New York Times disclosed that the president had authorized a special program bypassing the law requiring search warrants even in the case of national security.
i don't care who they spy in if it keeps me safe! if he talked about a "special program" he would be leaking things the govt does to fight terrorism!
looks like a Dem slanted article, like you said, by a long time Dem.“A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."
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See below....what a fucking mockery of the system. I fucking give up on both the Dems and Reps....just fucking tired already.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19728346/
Republicans want a full pardon....what a fucking joke.$100/unit
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Originally posted by KR-V3
what a misleading title to that story "CIA agent leaked". she wasn't a under cover agent (like the title implies). she just worked there. that's why no one was charged with anything. the press is just trying to make something out of nothing.“A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."
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Koch on Libby: 'The politics of hatred
rules the day'
Let me now — and not for the first time — rush in where angels fear to tread. I support President Bush’s commutation of Scooter Libby's prison sentence.
I have never met Mr. Libby. I have not been asked by any of his friends or family to assist him. So why am I taking this step, which is sure to be criticized by many of my friends and supporters?
It is because I believe in fairness. To remain silent because speaking out would not be popular is to invite punishment in the world to come.
What are the facts in the Libby case? The story begins when Robert Novak, a widely syndicated reporter, revealed in his newspaper column of July 14, 2003 that a woman named Valerie Plame, was a CIA covert (secret) operative.
A federal law makes such disclosure subject to criminal sanction under certain circumstances. Democratic opponents of President Bush — believing that Novak's source was the White House — ignited a firestorm of protest. The flap became so heated that the Deputy U.S. Attorney General James B. Comey appointed a special prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald — then and now the U.S. Attorney from Illinois — to investigate the disclosure.
Novak was questioned by the special prosecutor before a grand jury, whose proceedings are secret. Indeed, it is a federal crime to release such testimony. It is now known that the U.S. Attorney was told that the information did not come from the White House. The person who leaked the information to Novak was in fact former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, a Clinton appointee.
Novak, in his column of July 5, 2007, wrote, "Even before he began his long investigation, Fitzgerald was aware that the leak to me that started the case was made by then Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage. No proponent of the Iraq intervention, Armitage did not neatly fit left-wing conspiracy theory about Iraq policy. Consequently, he disappeared from the Internet blather about the CIA leak constituting treason. Armitage was not indicted because the statute prohibiting the disclosure of an intelligence agent's identity was not violated. But Fitzgerald ploughed ahead with an inquiry that produced obstruction of justice and perjury charges against Libby though there was no underlying crime."
Libby, who had been chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney until his indictment, was interviewed by the FBI (any statement to the FBI is deemed by law to be made under oath) and was questioned before the grand jury. In both situations, he apparently stated that he first heard the name of Valerie Plame and her CIA connections from journalist Tim Russert of "Meet The Press" fame. Russert was called before the grand jury and apparently testified and repeated his testimony publicly that he had done no such thing and did not know of Ms. Plame at the time of the alleged conversation with Libby.
Libby was indicted and convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice for misleading law enforcement agencies seeking to ascertain who had leaked the information about Ms. Plame. Neither Robert Novak nor Richard Armitage was ever prosecuted in this matter, although Novak had published the material and Armitage had provided the information to him. The law is, apparently, extremely technical and proved too difficult to apply to either Novak or Armitage. The New York times described the problem, “A prosecutor seeking to establish a violation of the law has to show an intentional disclosure by someone with authorized access to classified information. That person must also know that the disclosure identifies a covert operative ‘'and that the United States was taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the Unites States.’ A covert operative is defined as someone whose identity is classified information and who has served outside the United States within the last five years. “
Libby was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice and received a sentence of 30 months in prison, 2 years' probation and a $250,000 fine. President Bush has now commuted the prison time and left intact both the civil fine and probation. Unless he wins his appeal, Libby will also be disbarred as a lawyer. After all appeals have been exhausted, the President reserves his right to issue a full pardon.
My own belief is that when Libby answered the question by saying it was Russert who told him about Valerie Plame's CIA status, he was providing information that he believed to be true. Surely, he knew Russert would be asked if that occurred. If Libby's recollection failed, that would not be the basis for charging him with a crime. Only if he deliberately lied could he be accused of perjury.
Would anyone, particularly someone in high government office with an exemplary record of public service and admittedly a high achiever under these circumstances, lie, deliberately misstate the facts where his testimony would be refuted by a popular television personality certain to be asked? It defies common sense. If he were deliberately lying, he would have said, "I can't recall," or "I think it was Tim Russert," leaving the opportunity to admit error, and in neither case could he, I believe, have been indicted and convicted.
Why is there such an enormous furor, particularly in Democratic political circles, demanding that Libby go to prison? I believe it is the kind of mob rage that has regrettably dominated American politics. The anger that existed against FDR, Truman, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan and currently, the team of Bush and Cheney. That mob hate of Bush and Cheney for a host of reasons — the Iraq war, the two elections that elected and reelected them, their tax policies, their attitudes and policies directed at Islamic terrorism and a dozen other issues. They know they can't directly strike at Bush and Cheney whose terms of office dwindle with each passing day. They are striking at Libby as their surrogate. If they could in their lust for blood and vengeance, they would perform an auto de fe and burn Libby at the stake.
Some will respond, "A jury found him guilty, how can you question their collective judgment." Many of those people believe, as I do, that the jury that found O.J. Simpson not guilty was wrong and have no problem in questioning the verdict of that jury.
Regrettably, the politics of hatred rules the day. In this atmosphere of hysteria and rage, we should remember that the demons of yesterday — FDR, Truman, Clinton and Reagan — are hailed by many of their former critics as political saints of today.Last edited by 10DimeBry; 07-12-2007, 03:11 PM.2013 NCAA POD Record
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I agree, McCain is done. He should have ran against Bush in 04 imo. Unless he runs as an IND but I don't think he will. The problem with McCain is that he's all over the place when it comes to the issues. He's not right enough nor left enough.Originally posted by husker
Fred Thompson? FRED THOMPSON?!?! You have got to be kidding me. Well, there is the #1 key to being a good President "he is a actor like Reagan". Let me tell you what Fred Thompson is. He's a MEDIA CANDIDATE! The media is going to build him up (like they are) and then they are going to pull him down. FRED THOMPSON WILL BE THIS YEARS HOWARD DEAN.
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he won't do anything stoopid like Dean. time will tell.“A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."
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Did you know the Clintons were huge shareholders in Exxon and just recently divested?Originally posted by ChuckLazarCheney was an ex-executive for an Oil Co.
So I guess your probably going to tell me that Bush and Cheney don't have lots of $$$ invested in the oil Co. Stocks also.
Why do you think Bush was in a hurry to go to war with Iraq.
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Originally posted by BettorsChat
Who's lowest? Congess, Pelosi, Reid, or the President?
Could you post that poll as I seem to recall Pro-US leaders elected in France and Russia?Originally posted by BettorsChatComment
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Do you consider Obama a "media candidate" or Clinton who is "connected" to many media outlets? Obama is the "Oprah" candidate IMO.Originally posted by BearDownLet me tell you what Fred Thompson is. He's a MEDIA CANDIDATE! The media is going to build him up (like they are) and then they are going to pull him down. FRED THOMPSON WILL BE THIS YEARS HOWARD DEAN.Comment
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Do you know husker? You're both from the same area.Originally posted by lefthaterComment
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lefthater, where are you from? if you don't want to say here, get my email from a mod.Originally posted by BettorsChat“A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."
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Yeah, I think Obama is a media candidate. Clinton, no. She was already well known and has been in the spotlight already.Originally posted by lefthaterComment
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