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    I hope no one goes nuts on me because I'm simply stating facts. Remember, being in denial can only cost us more money. You might hate this post, but it may save you money in the long run.

    I've been a lurker for awhile now. My guess is that Vegas always makes money and they have adjusted to the faders. I know as faders we don't want to face it, but no way in hell could Vegas be losing as bad as faders. No way. Cause Vegas would be getting cleaned out. So, we have to assume that Vegas knows how to make money better than the public and its funny that faders always refers going against the public as if they're not part of the public. Well right now my guess is the faders are the public and that's why they're getting killed so badly. Do we really think Vegas is losing this badly? I say hell no. I mean look all over the net. Everyone and their mother is into fading now since the Internet. Why do you think sports books provide public consensus sites? So, faders can win LOL. No. They provide it so they can squeeze every penny from the faders as well. Faders usually bet more money than Joe Square gambler. So yes there might be more people on a certain team, but I bet my life there's more money on the less bet team. Its about how much money is on a side, not how many people or services. And it is impossible to know how much money on a side. For example everyone in the world bet New England yesterday, but I guarantee there was more money on the Jets because faders are more sure of themselves than Joe Square and faders usually bet much more cause they really think they're onto something.

    Ill probably get banned cause I noticed anyone that knocks on the fades gets a lot of heat. But, isn't it our jobs to let people know the truth. I mean we were told all year we wont do less than 70% this year. We'll be lucky to hit 50%. But, no one keeps track of units here. If we kept track of units, TRUST ME we are down a TON especially with all the half point buys and opinions losing. And people keep saying it'll turn around. Of course it will. But, that's why I hate services and now even message board posts because services and posting is monopoly money. In the real world most gamblers going through runs like this get wiped out. 4 years ago a service wiped me out in three weeks. I was wiped out, but still had the monthly picks and then he hit 9 in a row and started bragging and bragging. I told him of course you got hot but you wiped me out. I said you guys keep playing and playing because you guys don't bet on the games like we do. You guys have an infinite amount of plays because your playing with monopoly money. And I don't wanna hear anyone say MONEY MANAGEMENT. I say BULL S**T. I have more money than the average person and I have a set bank roll and play conservatively and I'm pretty much wiped out. But, guess what? The fades will keep getting posted and posted because there's no real cash behind a bunch of typed words. So, anyone with monopoly money like services and posters can have a zillion bad runs cause they don't get wiped out as long as they have their keyboards. But, in the real world most are wiped out. Its funny I see posters of many years on every board as if they've survived the bookies and actually making money doing this. My guess is 90% of services and posters never put a penny on any games. Unit wise if you bet all the fades from day one, you have no idea how much you'd really be down. TRUST ME I know. Its a ton as I have followed the plays and the buying of points to a T. I'm sure the fades will go on a super run and people will cheer and bash me saying boy Robert missed a hellava run AS IF ALL OF THESE LOSSES NEVER HAPPENED. We can go on many super runs and still not get the cash back. But, I bet my life the posts will go on cause after all its monopoly money for posters and services.

    Sorry I had to vent. But, its time someone spoke the truth.Theres no system that can beat Vegas and this system will never ever go 70% and neither will any other system. We thought we could out smart the books, but we cant. Trust me, behind closed doors Vegas is laughing at faders. VEGAS ACCOUNTS EVERYTHING AND ADJUSTS EVERYTHING.

    I mean all year we've been saying its a matter of time. Guess what? College regular football season is over and just a few weeks left in the NFL regular season. VEGAS DUPED US BIG TIME. This season and so will all year in hoops is and was set up to weed out all the faders. Whether you believe it or not, all along Vegas has been raking in the cash. If you don't think so, you're in denial to actually think Vegas loses. Like I said I don't care if 99% of services, public and the world is on one team, if the team with 1% bet on has more money on it- the 99% public team will win. SO WERE WASTING OUR TIME BECAUSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH MONEY IS BET ON A TEAM IN EVERY CASINO FROM OFFSHORE ACCOUNTS TO VEGAS TO LOCALS.


    Guys sorry if this seemed like a bash. Just thought instead of being in denial and not talking about it, that a post like this can save people a lot of money. Only way to win is if someone can truly cap a game. I mean did we really think we could outsmart Vegas by just doing tallies? If it was that easy every casino would go bankrupt.

    I had to post this because I am living proof how badly the fades have cost me money in units. Its units that count not records and the records have been horrible to. If anyone wants to see my account please email me and I'll give you all the information so you can track EVERY play I've made and you can see I played EVERY game for the same amount with an 28K bank roll and you'll see how disciplined and conservative I was and still wiped out. Theres no better proof than this. Since Im going to close my account or not deposit anymore cash, Ill leave it open for the public to view and you'll see I didn't miss a SINGLE fade play all year except for the ones that were posted late. (And why post the fades when you know the games have already started. It does people no good. So, why post them when the games in the 2nd qtr unless youre advertising your plays to become a pay site in the future)
    Last edited by RobertQ; 12-05-2005, 01:12 PM.

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    Originally posted by RobertQ
    I hope no one goes nuts on me because I'm simply stating facts. Remember, being in denial can only cost us more money. You might hate this post, but it may save you money in the long run.

    I've been a lurker for awhile now. My guess is that Vegas always makes money and they have adjusted to the faders. I know as faders we don't want to face it, but no way in hell could Vegas be losing as bad as faders. No way. Cause Vegas would be getting cleaned out. So, we have to assume that Vegas knows how to make money better than the public and its funny that faders always refers going against the public as if they're not part of the public. Well right now my guess is the faders are the public and that's why they're getting killed so badly. Do we really think Vegas is losing this badly? I say hell no. I mean look all over the net. Everyone and their mother is into fading now since the Internet. Why do you think sports books provide public consensus sites? So, faders can win LOL. No. They provide it so they can squeeze every penny from the faders as well. Faders usually bet more money than Joe Square gambler. So yes there might be more people on a certain team, but I bet my life there's more money on the less bet team. Its about how much money is on a side, not how many people or services. And it is impossible to know how much money on a side. For example everyone in the world bet New England yesterday, but I guarantee there was more money on the Jets because faders are more sure of themselves than Joe Square and faders usually bet much more cause they really think they're onto something.

    Ill probably get banned cause I noticed anyone that knocks on the fades gets a lot of heat. But, isn't it our jobs to let people know the truth. I mean we were told all year we wont do less than 70% this year. We'll be lucky to hit 50%. But, no one keeps track of units here. If we kept track of units, TRUST ME we are down a TON especially with all the half point buys and opinions losing. And people keep saying it'll turn around. Of course it will. But, that's why I hate services and now even message board posts because services and posting is monopoly money. In the real world most gamblers going through runs like this get wiped out. 4 years ago a service wiped me out in three weeks. I was wiped out, but still had the monthly picks and then he hit 9 in a row and started bragging and bragging. I told him of course you got hot but you wiped me out. I said you guys keep playing and playing because you guys don't bet on the games like we do. You guys have an infinite amount of plays because your playing with monopoly money. And I don't wanna hear anyone say MONEY MANAGEMENT. I say BULL S**T. I have more money than the average person and I have a set bank roll and play conservatively and I'm pretty much wiped out. But, guess what? The fades will keep getting posted and posted because there's no real cash behind a bunch of typed words. So, anyone with monopoly money like services and posters can have a zillion bad runs cause they don't get wiped out as long as they have their keyboards. But, in the real world most are wiped out. Its funny I see posters of many years on every board as if they've survived the bookies and actually making money doing this. My guess is 90% of services and posters never put a penny on any games. Unit wise if you bet all the fades from day one, you have no idea how much you'd really be down. TRUST ME I know. Its a ton as I have followed the plays and the buying of points to a T. I'm sure the fades will go on a super run and people will cheer and bash me saying boy Robert missed a hellava run AS IF ALL OF THESE LOSSES NEVER HAPPENED. We can go on many super runs and still not get the cash back. But, I bet my life the posts will go on cause after all its monopoly money for posters and services.

    Sorry I had to vent. But, its time someone spoke the truth.Theres no system that can beat Vegas and this system will never ever go 70% and neither will any other system. We thought we could out smart the books, but we cant. Trust me, behind closed doors Vegas is laughing at faders. VEGAS ACCOUNTS EVERYTHING AND ADJUSTS EVERYTHING.

    I mean all year we've been saying its a matter of time. Guess what? College regular football season is over and just a few weeks left in the NFL regular season. VEGAS DUPED US BIG TIME. This season and so will all year in hoops is and was set up to weed out all the faders. Whether you believe it or not, all along Vegas has been raking in the cash. If you don't think so, you're in denial to actually think Vegas loses. Like I said I don't care if 99% of services, public and the world is on one team, if the team with 1% bet on has more money on it- the 99% public team will win. SO WERE WASTING OUR TIME BECAUSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH MONEY IS BET ON A TEAM IN EVERY CASINO FROM OFFSHORE ACCOUNTS TO VEGAS TO LOCALS.


    Guys sorry if this seemed like a bash. Just thought instead of being in denial and not talking about it, that a post like this can save people a lot of money. Only way to win is if someone can truly cap a game. I mean did we really think we could outsmart Vegas by just doing tallies? If it was that easy every casino would go bankrupt.

    I had to post this because I am living proof how badly the fades have cost me money in units. Its units that count not records and the records have been horrible to. If anyone wants to see my account please email me and I'll give you all the information so you can track EVERY play I've made and you can see I played EVERY game for the same amount with an 28K bank roll and you'll see how disciplined and conservative I was and still wiped out. Theres no better proof than this. Since Im going to close my account or not deposit anymore cash, Ill leave it open for the public to view and you'll see I didn't miss a SINGLE fade play all year except for the ones that were posted late. (And why post the fades when you know the games have already started. It does people no good. So, why post them when the games in the 2nd qtr unless youre advertising your plays to become a pay site in the future)

    First off not everyone out there is fading services. Only a small select group is doing so with it originating on this site.

    Second Vegas does win or they wouldn't have those big fancy Casinos. They make a lot more money from the Casinos though than the Sportsbooks.

    As for offshore books giving out info on how much money is on each side. I personally think those numbers are bullshit.

    As for how much money is on a side that is usually determined by line movement. If more money was on the jets then the NE line would have came down. All smart books try to get an even amount of money on both sides that way its a win/win situation for them on the juice.

    As for units on the fades it was my thinking that each play is rated the same 1 unit. So to figure out the units isn't that hard.

    You stated that a service at one time wiped you out in 3 weeks, yet you state now that you have a better money management skills. I find that hard to believe because if the fades are hitting right around 50% and you're betting them for the same amount you shouldn't be busted.

    Your comment about services not putting money on their plays may be correct for a lot of them.

    My e-mail is [email protected] as I would like to see this account, because I bet you didn't use smart money management.

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    • #3
      not to sure how the fades cost u money..the fades won in everysport so far..u have ur right to post anything you want.were 50%..a 100.00 player is down only 290.00..were only in our 4th week,,ur not going to be banned or bashed..as i stated all along..the fades will be up big time by the final 4....and no one is posting the fades in the 2nd quarter..ur like a woman u only read what u want to read..this site server suxs lately..no one is telling anyone to play these..i myself know ill win big time in this system..and u state we dont post our record or units ,,we post it a few times a week,,i even did it today before u read it,,im sure ur stoney under a different nick and email addy..u spent alot of time on ur first post..and u waited to we had our first losing week,,.Thanks for your thoughts and opinions,,i wish you the best of luck,,if i was you i would just fade our fades,,maybe in 3 weeks we posted on here 2 or 3 late..other sites and 70 another people got and get these fades on time,,just look at it this way .with us posting the fades late look at how much money u saved,,,u need to read krunch's posts over again,,he did state he couldnt get on bettorschat yesterday..but his fades were posted all over the net in plenty of time..saturday we posted the 11pm games at 1145 am pal..good luck and happy holidays..
      also we were 30 games over 500 last year,,all here at bettorschat..78-48 ..64%..so how are the fades down..happy holidays Stoney..do the math its not hard..the fades are up..even baseball krunch won everymonth and he was ahead at the end of the year,,and baseball is the worse sport for the fades..for me Ripple ..ill continue to post my fades and play them..No one else has to but i will and ill win..
      Last edited by Ripple; 12-05-2005, 01:37 PM.

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      • #4
        anyways...game on! Who's YOUR pick?
        Great Day To Win

        MLB 2008 (19-23-1) +3.0 units

        NBA 08-09 (10-7) + 1.59 units

        GOY (4-1)

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        • #5
          You mean Krunch had problems on Saturday?

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          • #6
            he said yesterday also monte..i got on around 145pm no problem..krunch told me at 1250pm he couldnt get on at all..saturday was a problem but i finally got on..we been having problems for 2 weeks now,,Thanks and good luck,,

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            • #7
              look in yesterdays fades he posted he had problems..the fade thread is slow all the time..most of the time we have over 75-125 people waiting in this thread,,,Maybe that slows it down..

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              • #8
                Ripple: Okay that comment your like a woman was to funny. That was a great one. I have to make sure my gf doesn't see that post cause she is a feminist although she denies it. Also, thanks for your replies. By thhe way, if someone knocks on the fades its not a knock on you or Krunch because their not your plays. You guys are just being messengers and telling us what services are doing.

                Bettorschat: I can't agree with you on line movements. Every casino has their own rule of thumb how to change lines up or down. For example at Pinnacle a 500 dollar bet by a respected gambler will move a line much more than a 5000 dollar bet made by someone who usually loses. I think two things we will never know is why the line is moving where it is and how much money is bet on a side. Some of the sharper bettors prefer that the line moves against them because when it moves against them it usually indicates sharp money. For example last night the Lakers went from -6 to -5 many places indicating a play on the Bobcats. Or Duke going from 23 to 21 in the last 10 minutes before the tip.


                But, yes I couldn't agree more with you about Casinos not caring as much with their sportsbooks as far as making money.On 60 minutes several weeks ago they said a casino can make up to 65% of their annual revenues just on slot games whether its an online casino or land based. And the other 35% has to be mostly table games. But, since Vegas doesn't really care whats going on in the sports book, isn't that more the reason why fading the public and services don't work? I mean why would Vegas care if the jets win or lose when there are high rollers playing 5k a hand on black jack? Anyway, I just wanted to throw another view of looking at things. I really do believe what Bettorschat said how casinos make their money and more the reason why I think the public continues to win at sports. I mean look at what Atlantic City has been saying for years and years:

                WHY SHOULD WE HAVE SPORTS BOOKS HERE? WE HAVE EVERY ADVANTAGE IN THE CASINO, SO WHY SHOULD WE OPEN UP SOMETHING THAT IS PROVEN THE ONLY PLACE IN GAMBLING THE PUBLIC CAN WIN

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                • #9
                  ur right,,the casinos make tons more than sportsbooks..i think thats why the casinos give so much more away and the sportsbooks give nothing away most of the time..i new you werent knocking me personally..All suggestions and comments are great.THanks and good luck today..there are a few services i follow and fade and i been winning the last 6 weeks big time..also theres alot of luck in this..

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                  • #10
                    Server problems:

                    A trick I learned on many sites is NOT to stay logged in for awhile. Most think if they stay logged in than theyre good to go, but for some reason they become dormant. I would log out when viewing threads until ready to post. Usually when Im freshly logged in, I never have problems posting

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                    • #11
                      lmao he has 3 post no wonder he has no problems posting




                      ok ok who let the carnival friends out today.................
                      rjeremy for my accounts manager/i love how he keeps numbers

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RobertQ

                        WHY SHOULD WE HAVE SPORTS BOOKS HERE? WE HAVE EVERY ADVANTAGE IN THE CASINO, SO WHY SHOULD WE OPEN UP SOMETHING THAT IS PROVEN THE ONLY PLACE IN GAMBLING THE PUBLIC CAN WIN
                        Say what?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ripple
                          .ur like a woman u only read what u want to read....
                          I resent this!!

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                          • #14
                            lmfao..sorry meg..bwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
                            i know my gf only hears and reads what she wants sometimes,,,of course this doesnt count for any of the girls at bc..there all wonderful ladies and i respect them very much ..hahahha ..good luck and happy holidays..

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ripple
                              lmfao..sorry meg..bwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
                              i know my gf only hears and reads what she wants sometimes,,,of course this doesnt count for any of the girls at bc..there all wonderful ladies and i respect them very much ..hahahha ..good luck and happy holidays..
                              lol I'm not saying you were wrong..i have very selective hearing...but men are just as guilty of it ...very happy holidays to you and your gf!!!

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