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Fades/Bases- Please read/respond
With all due respect to Rip, Krunch, Truckin and others who have faded tirelessly and tired -hour upon hour for all of us members-
I must now ask members to review this post and decide ------if we continue to fade on bases as is- tweak the system (tell us your comment how) - or shelve it till the football season.
Its like Keanu Reeves in The Matrix- I now see the enormity of the project and due to the aforementioned areas and lack of member power (views and presentment) with a break even/ no real advantage for betting fades at this time attitude by members --maybe just maybe- it should take a break or possibly be tweaked.
How do you members feel - Stay with the lady ya brought to the dance (baseball) or pile her in the backseat of your car for the DriveInn Movie (football). No response -clearly states your decision.
Krunch, Truckin and Rip have invested a great amount of time- probably 6-9 hours per day on this. Well over 100 plays are investigated and clicking on to sites that say - we'll be back with at 5 pm - and then they don't appear. Continued clicking for more posts- site after site-- till you finally get one in. Check back at this site, then that, etc ... all time consuming.
I can't say enough for what you guys have done, its tedious and meticulous work. However, the rewards have to be lucrative in the sport of baseball as it was in the other sports to continue at this time. The lack of real services and too many free picks have appeared to be one factor.
Lets again see the results for June's Baseball Fade Results
Using $100 as a unit
1 June 2-2 and +.20 units
2 June 1-1 even
3 June 4-2 and +2.85 units
4 June 1-3 and -2.10 units
5 June 2-2 and +.20 units
6 June 0-3 and -3.00 units
7 June 3-2 and +2.02 units
8 June 1-1 and +.08 units
9 June 3-1 and +1.75 units
10 June 2-1 and +1.22 units
11 June 2-3 and -1.35 units
12 June 1-1 even
13 June 1-3 and -1.45 units
14 June 2-1 and +1.29 units
15 June 3-0 and +3.78 units
16 June 1-3 and -1.64 units
17 June 0-2 and -2.00 units
18 June 2-1 and +1.67 units
19 June 1-0 and +1.24 units
20 June 2-3 and -.99 units
21 June 2-2 and -.70 units
22 June 2-0 and +2.10 units
23 June 1-2 and -1.00 units
24 June 1-1 and +.50 units
25 June 1-3-1 and -2.00 units
June totals; 41 wins/ 43 losses/ 1 push for +2.77 units or +$277 dollars as a $100 a unit bettor!!!!!!! Saturday's suck for the fades!!!!!!!
Spearit Note: This shows that Krunch feels the system for betting fades on Saturday could also be a factor.
The research has been provided -so now how can it be improved. Lets see if what Krunch has researched:
1) No fades on Saturdays -
The month of June show Fade Power Score on Saturdays
at 6-10-1 with a -3.78. Loss $378 dollars.
*Take this away from our total and this improves our Fade Power Score to a more respectable 37-33-1 +6.55 Win $655
Spearit Notes: Lets see what Truckin has to add.
"over the last couple weeks i have been experimenting with different criteria of numbers with the fades.
i have come to the conclusion that due to the number of free plays being used and the amount of fades that are occurring that the numbers to make a play a fade need to be raised from the 15/7 criteria
i will start with bases
from now on the new criteria for me to make a baseball fade will be at least 20 services together and at least a 10 differential the reason for this is we are losing day in and day out with numbers like 13-4, 16-3, 13-2, ect, ect
when the numbers are 20-4, 22-6, ect, ect we hit a very high percentage
another reason for this change is if i dont get a baseball report that day there will be no plays because i know for a fact i will not have anything to meet that criteria
if we are not getting a report then we shoudnt be doing the fades IMO
note: if this number needs to be raised to 25 then i will do that
baseball totals:
i have been experimenting with this alot longer and have decided to make a criteria for total plays
due to the less amount of plays on totals
the criteria for a total to be a play will be a 7 differential
starting with 7-0, 8-1, 9-2, ect
i have tracked these and they win more than they lose
(for the nba even though we are on the tail end
we are making a large scale change
we have been losing our ass but i have noticed the numbers when we win
when we win the numbers are 31-9, 28-6, ect
the new criteria for the nba is 30 total services and 15 differetial)
if we had been using these numbers for the last 2 months that would of cut out a lot of losers and some winners but more losers for sure
i am trying to tweek this system so when these big ass fades come in we start taking full advantage of them
i feel right now with as many plays that we have we are just not where we need to be
1 other thing I do not receive a report everyday
i receive it from a member here at bc that is kind enough to take the time when he is home to forward them to me
thank you in the future if we get enough people to put in for a report or 2 that would be the key to our success -so let me know what you guys think about getting a baseball report everyday"
thanks truckin__________________
Spearit Note----- Truckin and Krunch use a differential of 7 to make a play and the more services on the play the percentages of winning is higher. Quote from Truckin "when the numbers are 20-4, 22-6, ect, ect we hit a very high percentage". With the lack of info here - I am not able to provide a difference in our Fade Power Score- Krunch if you or Truckin have that info we can further tweak the fades at that time. Meaning number of services on a play.
Golden Contender writes:
truck, i was also thinking maybe theres a way of making a super fade list using only the fades from the real scammer services,you know the sturgeons ,,feist, and jonny demarcos of the world. and not including some of the better services. for example i would hate to fade a game when someone like joe gavazzi of ppp has a 6 unit play on the game. basically what im saying is to exclude the cappers who have a good record whn monitored for the last 3 or 4 years. im sure we can get a good list of scamdicappers to fade though. thanx for your kind words regarding the system plays.
Spearit Note: As mentioned-- that some services are not scamdicappers and we need to separate them from the others is a valid concept.
Now from Rip
#1 in baseball there arent as many services playing as there are in baskets & football....
#2 i seen and was told about all the free plays being used in the fades system lately,,and where they were coming from...We never ever used that many free plays.plus over there where there getting them from most of those guys arent even real handicappers..Are system worked excellent do to the fact that we had so many more services and 3-4 excellent reports that we only used maybe 25% free plays..believe me that makes a big difference..even though im not playing,believe me i care about people when it comes to money and when i seen 9 plays yesterday and the few calls & emails i got we all checked things over..
..No way am i here to start any problems or stir the pot..I was aksed from a few posters to try and help..i shouldnt even be on these forums but i have alot of people(friends) here and at other forums and theres money involved and people are getting hurt..The last thing i want is anyone being like me& keep gambling till ur broke..if anyone feels like bashing me and telling me to go screw and mind my own business its ur right..But i didnt just come on here without anyone asking me to and knowing im here..
..If u look even in the service area there arent as many service plays being posted as there were in foots & baskets..It was rare we gave out over 4 games a day even if we had many more games we tried and limited it to so many games..also what im told is the numbers are way off from each person and people were concerned at that..if u cant get a great report or more services (the best base report is 2300) thats alot of money but there arent that many good ones that come out in bases compare to baskets & football..I see the one that comes out in bases and all those plays are posted already..i would try and ride (fade) a few services and see what happens,,If you cant get 20 plus services (not including free plays) the system wont work as well...if u go to a few of these monitored sites u can see who is terrible in bases..i no a few but ill email them to spark instead of bashing the services in this thread..Also theres a few services that are hot and should be getting cold..Also look at coverboy & frank there awesome and people should follow them and other cappers here and at other forums theres excellent cappers..
................Guys take this anyway u like but believe me all im trying to do is help and give u the info that we had and why the fades worked so well in baskets & football...please do anything you want and believe me everyone here appreciates all the work the people been doing with the fades and how much there trying..but without the correct numbers(services& tallys) the system wont work..maybe wait till football starts or something...ill try and help and see if i can get some better reports but the only one i seen that is good is 2300.00.
..Thanks again and good luck..Your friend ..Rip
Spearit Note: Notes the lack of services premium picks and more free picks are being used for baseball. Also notes that he does not want people hurt with a system that has been altered.
Now from Chucky Cheese
I think it's easier to win at MLB than any other sport around. But alot of services don't think that way, because they believe that more people follow Football than baseball, so they gear up all summer,working on new ways to scam people for money!! Fades are definitely the way to go in Football, and I know that I will be riding them on this forum. Pitching controls the game more, now that steroids are banned!!! I for one truly appreciate all the hard work it takes to do the fades, because plays keep coming in all day long!
And from the Sandman
Rip. I'm glad you took the time to write your note because you are correct in what you are saying. I stopped playing the fades about a week ago, mainly because they were not longer based on mostly paid service plays. I think the other reason the fades don't work as well in baseball is because since baseball is the easiest sport to win at, even the services will do better too. I don't know how the baseball fades would have done if they were based mainly on paid for service plays and until someone can figure that out, I think it's too risky to fade the services in baseball. And Rip, we all know you wrote because you care and I appreciate your efforts for us.
And once again and lastly from arguably -our best capper at B/C in bases - Chucky Cheese
Yes Spark, that's why favorites are covering more. Teams with good pitching and defense can dominate games just like in the good old days. TV and their ratings had forced MLB over the years, to try to make the game more offensive appealing for the publics enjoyment. But these HR's and records that have been broken, definitely were due to roid use and nothing more. I had a chance to take roids years ago in an effort to play in the NFL, but turned it down after watching a roommate of mine in college piss blood and have his balls shrink. Oddsmakers will find ways to win just as they have over the years in either making the ML sky high to force the public to take the dog, if this favorite trend continues. Most locals are starting not to take MLB, or exclude games, cause they can't keep from losing. That's why cappers should take advantage when they can to build a bankroll for football and basketball. Football has a whole week between games, which after reading into the hype of some teams and trends, could change a persons mind 10 times over the course of the week.
While Baseball plays everyday, and you don't have alot of time to get into the hype. You just keep an eye on hot and cold teams with hot and cold pitchers. It's alot easier to pick a good team or hot team for three games in a row that are playing teams that are struggling, than it is to have a whole week to prepare for!! Injuries especially to pitchers and bullpens can completely disrupt any baseball teams momentum!
Spearit Note- Chuck brings up a point that teams run in cycles more in the bases due to a number of current injuries, streaks, travel, etc. Fading bases so far has been a disasppointment but the the crew didn't want to let anyone down and we are all grateful.
I wish to continue their fine work but need to know that it is warranted.
If you wish to have the base fades continued-
then Spark can add a voting poll for this.
Please add--- Tweak the system as an option.
Thanks to all - Sorry about the long post-
But we are proud of the fades and their tireless presenters.
I must now ask members to review this post and decide ------if we continue to fade on bases as is- tweak the system (tell us your comment how) - or shelve it till the football season.
Its like Keanu Reeves in The Matrix- I now see the enormity of the project and due to the aforementioned areas and lack of member power (views and presentment) with a break even/ no real advantage for betting fades at this time attitude by members --maybe just maybe- it should take a break or possibly be tweaked.
How do you members feel - Stay with the lady ya brought to the dance (baseball) or pile her in the backseat of your car for the DriveInn Movie (football). No response -clearly states your decision.
Krunch, Truckin and Rip have invested a great amount of time- probably 6-9 hours per day on this. Well over 100 plays are investigated and clicking on to sites that say - we'll be back with at 5 pm - and then they don't appear. Continued clicking for more posts- site after site-- till you finally get one in. Check back at this site, then that, etc ... all time consuming.
I can't say enough for what you guys have done, its tedious and meticulous work. However, the rewards have to be lucrative in the sport of baseball as it was in the other sports to continue at this time. The lack of real services and too many free picks have appeared to be one factor.
Lets again see the results for June's Baseball Fade Results
Using $100 as a unit
1 June 2-2 and +.20 units
2 June 1-1 even
3 June 4-2 and +2.85 units
4 June 1-3 and -2.10 units
5 June 2-2 and +.20 units
6 June 0-3 and -3.00 units
7 June 3-2 and +2.02 units
8 June 1-1 and +.08 units
9 June 3-1 and +1.75 units
10 June 2-1 and +1.22 units
11 June 2-3 and -1.35 units
12 June 1-1 even
13 June 1-3 and -1.45 units
14 June 2-1 and +1.29 units
15 June 3-0 and +3.78 units
16 June 1-3 and -1.64 units
17 June 0-2 and -2.00 units
18 June 2-1 and +1.67 units
19 June 1-0 and +1.24 units
20 June 2-3 and -.99 units
21 June 2-2 and -.70 units
22 June 2-0 and +2.10 units
23 June 1-2 and -1.00 units
24 June 1-1 and +.50 units
25 June 1-3-1 and -2.00 units
June totals; 41 wins/ 43 losses/ 1 push for +2.77 units or +$277 dollars as a $100 a unit bettor!!!!!!! Saturday's suck for the fades!!!!!!!
Spearit Note: This shows that Krunch feels the system for betting fades on Saturday could also be a factor.
The research has been provided -so now how can it be improved. Lets see if what Krunch has researched:
1) No fades on Saturdays -
The month of June show Fade Power Score on Saturdays
at 6-10-1 with a -3.78. Loss $378 dollars.
*Take this away from our total and this improves our Fade Power Score to a more respectable 37-33-1 +6.55 Win $655
Spearit Notes: Lets see what Truckin has to add.
"over the last couple weeks i have been experimenting with different criteria of numbers with the fades.
i have come to the conclusion that due to the number of free plays being used and the amount of fades that are occurring that the numbers to make a play a fade need to be raised from the 15/7 criteria
i will start with bases
from now on the new criteria for me to make a baseball fade will be at least 20 services together and at least a 10 differential the reason for this is we are losing day in and day out with numbers like 13-4, 16-3, 13-2, ect, ect
when the numbers are 20-4, 22-6, ect, ect we hit a very high percentage
another reason for this change is if i dont get a baseball report that day there will be no plays because i know for a fact i will not have anything to meet that criteria
if we are not getting a report then we shoudnt be doing the fades IMO
note: if this number needs to be raised to 25 then i will do that
baseball totals:
i have been experimenting with this alot longer and have decided to make a criteria for total plays
due to the less amount of plays on totals
the criteria for a total to be a play will be a 7 differential
starting with 7-0, 8-1, 9-2, ect
i have tracked these and they win more than they lose
(for the nba even though we are on the tail end
we are making a large scale change
we have been losing our ass but i have noticed the numbers when we win
when we win the numbers are 31-9, 28-6, ect
the new criteria for the nba is 30 total services and 15 differetial)
if we had been using these numbers for the last 2 months that would of cut out a lot of losers and some winners but more losers for sure
i am trying to tweek this system so when these big ass fades come in we start taking full advantage of them
i feel right now with as many plays that we have we are just not where we need to be
1 other thing I do not receive a report everyday
i receive it from a member here at bc that is kind enough to take the time when he is home to forward them to me
thank you in the future if we get enough people to put in for a report or 2 that would be the key to our success -so let me know what you guys think about getting a baseball report everyday"
thanks truckin__________________
Spearit Note----- Truckin and Krunch use a differential of 7 to make a play and the more services on the play the percentages of winning is higher. Quote from Truckin "when the numbers are 20-4, 22-6, ect, ect we hit a very high percentage". With the lack of info here - I am not able to provide a difference in our Fade Power Score- Krunch if you or Truckin have that info we can further tweak the fades at that time. Meaning number of services on a play.
Golden Contender writes:
truck, i was also thinking maybe theres a way of making a super fade list using only the fades from the real scammer services,you know the sturgeons ,,feist, and jonny demarcos of the world. and not including some of the better services. for example i would hate to fade a game when someone like joe gavazzi of ppp has a 6 unit play on the game. basically what im saying is to exclude the cappers who have a good record whn monitored for the last 3 or 4 years. im sure we can get a good list of scamdicappers to fade though. thanx for your kind words regarding the system plays.
Spearit Note: As mentioned-- that some services are not scamdicappers and we need to separate them from the others is a valid concept.
Now from Rip
#1 in baseball there arent as many services playing as there are in baskets & football....
#2 i seen and was told about all the free plays being used in the fades system lately,,and where they were coming from...We never ever used that many free plays.plus over there where there getting them from most of those guys arent even real handicappers..Are system worked excellent do to the fact that we had so many more services and 3-4 excellent reports that we only used maybe 25% free plays..believe me that makes a big difference..even though im not playing,believe me i care about people when it comes to money and when i seen 9 plays yesterday and the few calls & emails i got we all checked things over..
..No way am i here to start any problems or stir the pot..I was aksed from a few posters to try and help..i shouldnt even be on these forums but i have alot of people(friends) here and at other forums and theres money involved and people are getting hurt..The last thing i want is anyone being like me& keep gambling till ur broke..if anyone feels like bashing me and telling me to go screw and mind my own business its ur right..But i didnt just come on here without anyone asking me to and knowing im here..
..If u look even in the service area there arent as many service plays being posted as there were in foots & baskets..It was rare we gave out over 4 games a day even if we had many more games we tried and limited it to so many games..also what im told is the numbers are way off from each person and people were concerned at that..if u cant get a great report or more services (the best base report is 2300) thats alot of money but there arent that many good ones that come out in bases compare to baskets & football..I see the one that comes out in bases and all those plays are posted already..i would try and ride (fade) a few services and see what happens,,If you cant get 20 plus services (not including free plays) the system wont work as well...if u go to a few of these monitored sites u can see who is terrible in bases..i no a few but ill email them to spark instead of bashing the services in this thread..Also theres a few services that are hot and should be getting cold..Also look at coverboy & frank there awesome and people should follow them and other cappers here and at other forums theres excellent cappers..
................Guys take this anyway u like but believe me all im trying to do is help and give u the info that we had and why the fades worked so well in baskets & football...please do anything you want and believe me everyone here appreciates all the work the people been doing with the fades and how much there trying..but without the correct numbers(services& tallys) the system wont work..maybe wait till football starts or something...ill try and help and see if i can get some better reports but the only one i seen that is good is 2300.00.
..Thanks again and good luck..Your friend ..Rip
Spearit Note: Notes the lack of services premium picks and more free picks are being used for baseball. Also notes that he does not want people hurt with a system that has been altered.
Now from Chucky Cheese
I think it's easier to win at MLB than any other sport around. But alot of services don't think that way, because they believe that more people follow Football than baseball, so they gear up all summer,working on new ways to scam people for money!! Fades are definitely the way to go in Football, and I know that I will be riding them on this forum. Pitching controls the game more, now that steroids are banned!!! I for one truly appreciate all the hard work it takes to do the fades, because plays keep coming in all day long!
And from the Sandman
Rip. I'm glad you took the time to write your note because you are correct in what you are saying. I stopped playing the fades about a week ago, mainly because they were not longer based on mostly paid service plays. I think the other reason the fades don't work as well in baseball is because since baseball is the easiest sport to win at, even the services will do better too. I don't know how the baseball fades would have done if they were based mainly on paid for service plays and until someone can figure that out, I think it's too risky to fade the services in baseball. And Rip, we all know you wrote because you care and I appreciate your efforts for us.
And once again and lastly from arguably -our best capper at B/C in bases - Chucky Cheese
Yes Spark, that's why favorites are covering more. Teams with good pitching and defense can dominate games just like in the good old days. TV and their ratings had forced MLB over the years, to try to make the game more offensive appealing for the publics enjoyment. But these HR's and records that have been broken, definitely were due to roid use and nothing more. I had a chance to take roids years ago in an effort to play in the NFL, but turned it down after watching a roommate of mine in college piss blood and have his balls shrink. Oddsmakers will find ways to win just as they have over the years in either making the ML sky high to force the public to take the dog, if this favorite trend continues. Most locals are starting not to take MLB, or exclude games, cause they can't keep from losing. That's why cappers should take advantage when they can to build a bankroll for football and basketball. Football has a whole week between games, which after reading into the hype of some teams and trends, could change a persons mind 10 times over the course of the week.
While Baseball plays everyday, and you don't have alot of time to get into the hype. You just keep an eye on hot and cold teams with hot and cold pitchers. It's alot easier to pick a good team or hot team for three games in a row that are playing teams that are struggling, than it is to have a whole week to prepare for!! Injuries especially to pitchers and bullpens can completely disrupt any baseball teams momentum!
Spearit Note- Chuck brings up a point that teams run in cycles more in the bases due to a number of current injuries, streaks, travel, etc. Fading bases so far has been a disasppointment but the the crew didn't want to let anyone down and we are all grateful.
I wish to continue their fine work but need to know that it is warranted.
If you wish to have the base fades continued-
then Spark can add a voting poll for this.
Please add--- Tweak the system as an option.
Thanks to all - Sorry about the long post-
But we are proud of the fades and their tireless presenters.
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