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[JBC13]

I respectfully disagree with that.

Peyton had almost 70% of their offense with his passing. I don't think they are 14-2 without him....BUT without Edge...i don't think they are either...

but peyton was more valuable then Edge was in this offense for Indy.

They wouldnt be 14-2 without manning......but they also wouldnt be 14-2 without edge IMO. He is a big part of there success. I just think tiki should have been 2nd and palmer should have been ahead of Manning. Just my two cents

[TheRook]

The award is Most VALUABLE player. Edgerin james is more valuable to that team than peyton manning. This year tiki, alexander, palmer were all more valuable to there team and they all put up great numbers.

I respectfully disagree with that.

Peyton had almost 70% of their offense with his passing. I don't think they are 14-2 without him....BUT without Edge...i don't think they are either...

but peyton was more valuable then Edge was in this offense for Indy.

[10DimeBry]

so let me get this straight. if you add the % of completions to the yards gained, then multiply by the # of attempts then divide by the # of snaps, then subtract the population of South Dakota, then divide the total square miles of the city of pittsburgh, then add the # of cows living in feura bush, then get the GDP of the country of GWAM divide that into it all and then hit the EQUAL button and BAMM

manning QB rating is higher.

makes sense to me

[JBC13]

The award is Most VALUABLE player. Edgerin james is more valuable to that team than peyton manning. This year tiki, alexander, palmer were all more valuable to there team and they all put up great numbers.

[griffey_mojo]

Yes QB rating is one category~that takes all the other categories into consideration. Palmer had a GREAT year but for you to say "clearly" better is not true.

By the way I voted for Alexader in Franks MVP poll so I agree with you there.

When I said all that was wrong......It takes some of the categories. Here is the formula. I did not know exactly how it worked but here it is.

NFL quarterback rating formula
The NFL rates its passers for statistical purposes against a fixed performance standard based on statistical achievements of all qualified pro passers since 1960. The current system replaced one that rated passers in relation to their position in a total group based on various criteria.

The current system, which was adopted in 1973, removes inequities that existed in the former method and, at the same time, provides a means of comparing passing performances from one season to the next.

It is important to remember that the system is used to rate pass-ers, not quarterbacks. Statistics do not reflect leadership, play-calling, and other intangible factors that go into making a successful professional quarterback.

Four categories are used as a basis for compiling a rating:
• Percentage of completions per attempt
• Average yards gained per attempt
• Percentage of touchdown passes per attempt
• Percentage of interceptions per attempt

The average standard, is 1.000. The bottom is .000. To earn a 2.000 rating, a passer must perform at exceptional levels, i.e., 70 percent in completions, 10 percent in touchdowns, 1.5 percent in interceptions, and 11 yards average gain per pass attempt. The maximum a passer can receive in any category is 2.375.

For example, to gain a 2.375 in completion percentage, a passer would have to complete 77.5 percent of his passes. The NFL record is 70.55 by Ken Anderson (Cincinnati, 1982).

To earn a 2.375 in percentage of touchdowns, a passer would have to achieve a percentage of 11.9. The record is 13.9 by Sid Luckman (Chicago, 1943).

To gain 2.375 in percentage of interceptions, a passer would have to go the entire season without an interception. The 2.375 figure in average yards is 12.50, compared with the NFL record of 11.17 by Tommy O'Connell (Cleveland, 1957).

In order to make the rating more understandable, the point rating is then converted into a scale of 100. In rare cases, where statistical performance has been superior, it is possible for a passer to surpass a 100 rating.

For example, take Steve Young's record-setting season in 1994 when he completed 324 of 461 passes for 3,969 yards, 35 touchdowns, and 10 interceptions.

The four calculations would be:
• Percentage of Completions — 324 of 461 is 70.28 percent. Subtract 30 from the completion percentage (40.28) and multiply the result by 0.05. The result is a point rating of 2.014.
Note: If the result is less than zero (Comp. Pct. less than 30.0), award zero points. If the results are greater than 2.375 (Comp. Pct. greater than 77.5), award 2.375.

• Average Yards Gained Per Attempt — 3,969 yards divided by 461 attempts is 8.61. Subtract three yards from yards-per-attempt (5.61) and multiply the result by 0.25. The result is 1.403.
Note: If the result is less than zero (yards per attempt less than 3.0), award zero points. If the result is greater than 2.375 (yards per attempt greater than 12.5), award 2.375 points.

• Percentage of Touchdown Passes — 35 touchdowns in 461 attempts is 7.59 percent. Multiply the touchdown percentage by 0.2. The result is 1.518.
Note: If the result is greater than 2.375 (touchdown percentage greater than 11.875), award 2.375.

• Percentage of Interceptions — 10 interceptions in 461 attempts is 2.17 percent. Multiply the interception percentage by 0.25 (0.542) and subtract the number from 2.375. The result is 1.833.
Note: If the result is less than zero (interception percentage greater than 9.5), award zero points.

The sum of the four steps is (2.014 + 1.403 + 1.518 + 1.833) 6.768. The sum is then divided by six (1.128) and multiplied by 100. In this case, the result is 112.8. This same formula can be used to determine a passer rating for any player who attempts at least one pass.

[10DimeBry]

Yes QB rating is one category~that takes all the other categories into consideration. Palmer had a GREAT year but for you to say "clearly" better is not true.

By the way I voted for Alexader in Franks MVP poll so I agree with you there.

and i voted for tiki. I was torn between him and alexander. Again it should have been:

alexander
barber
palmer
manning
brady

i'm sticking with that. You cannot tell me otherwise

[griffey_mojo]

no i'm proving my point. QB rating dont mean jack. its only 1 category thats all. look across the board. Palmer was clearly better its black and white.

MVP should have been:

alexander
barber
palmer
manning
brady

seriously you cant argue that

Yes QB rating is one category~that takes all the other categories into consideration. Palmer had a GREAT year but for you to say "clearly" better is not true.

By the way I voted for Alexader in Franks MVP poll so I agree with you there.

[TheRook]

no i'm proving my point. QB rating dont mean jack. its only 1 category thats all. look across the board. Palmer was clearly better its black and white.

MVP should have been:

alexander
barber
palmer
manning
brady

seriously you cant argue that

No Bryan you minupulated the numbers to make it better for your weak arguement and your biased feelings.

Carson Palmer is Not a better quarterback then Petyon Manning, and I don't think there are many that will argue with me on that.


Having said that....go on to the poll room and put your one vote in

http://www.bettorschat.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=84670

[10DimeBry]

So you think because Randel El was 3-3 with a TD he was better than Manning.....Comon now Bry this is getting rediculous. When you use information like this your agruement holds NO weight. No pun intended bud.

no i'm proving my point. QB rating dont mean jack. its only 1 category thats all. look across the board. Palmer was clearly better its black and white.

MVP should have been:

alexander
barber
palmer
manning
brady

seriously you cant argue that

[griffey_mojo]

so to me by qb ratings randal EL should be your MVP or jeff blake at the very least

So you think because Randel El was 3-3 with a TD he was better than Manning.....Comon now Bry this is getting rediculous. When you use information like this your agruement holds NO weight. No pun intended bud.

[10DimeBry]

just look at what you posted. palmer had more completions more TD's more yardage. he clearly was the better QB this year handsdown

[TheRook]

Here ya go.....


Passer Rating
Rank Player Team Yds Att Cmp TDs Ints Long Rating
1 Peyton Manning IND 3747 453 305 28 10 80 104.1
2 Carson Palmer CIN 3836 509 345 32 12 70 101.1
3 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 2385 268 168 17 9 85 98.6
4 Matt Hasselbeck SEA 3459 449 294 24 9 56 98.2
5 Marc Bulger STL 2297 287 192 14 9 57 94.4
6 Tom Brady NE 4110 530 334 26 14 71 92.3
7 Jake Plummer DEN 3366 456 277 18 7 72 90.2
8 Trent Green KC 4014 507 317 17 10 60 90.1
9 Byron Leftwich JAC 2123 302 175 15 5 45 89.3
10 Drew Brees SD 3576 500 323 24 15 54 89.2
11 Brad Johnson MIN 1885 294 184 12 4 80 88.9
12 Jake Delhomme CAR 3421 435 262 24 16 80 88.1
13 Mark Brunell WAS 3050 454 262 23 10 78 85.9
14 Kurt Warner ARI 2713 375 242 11 9 63 85.8
15 Kelly Holcomb BUF 1509 230 155 10 8 65 85.6
16 Donovan McNabb PHI 2507 357 211 16 9 91 85.0
17 Drew Bledsoe DAL 3639 499 300 23 17 71 83.7
18 Steve McNair TEN 3161 476 292 16 11 57 82.4
19 Chris Simms TB 2035 313 191 10 7 78 81.4
20 Kerry Collins OAK 3759 565 302 20 12 79 77.3
21 David Carr HOU 2488 423 256 14 11 53 77.2
22 Trent Dilfer CLE 2321 333 199 11 12 80 76.9
23 Eli Manning NYG 3762 557 294 24 17 78 75.9
24 Josh McCown ARI 1836 270 163 9 11 49 74.9
25 Michael Vick ATL 2412 387 214 15 13 58 73.1
26 Brooks Bollinger NYJ 1558 266 150 7 6 60 72.9
27 Joey Harrington DET 2021 330 188 12 12 86 72.0
28 Gus Frerotte MIA 2996 494 257 18 13 60 71.9
29 Kyle Boller BAL 1799 293 171 11 12 47 71.8
30 Anthony Wright BAL 1582 266 164 6 9 48 71.7

BAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!



Well done Griff!

[10DimeBry]

so to me by qb ratings randal EL should be your MVP or jeff blake at the very least

[10DimeBry]

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Passing Sacked Fumbles
Name Team G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int Sack YdsL Fum FumL
Antwaan Randle El PIT 16 158.3 3 3 100.0 67 4.2 22.3 1 0 0 0 2 1
LaDainian Tomlinson SDG 16 153.1 3 4 75.0 47 2.9 11.8 3 0 0 0 3 1
Jeff Blake CHI 3 129.2 8 9 88.9 55 18.3 6.1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Quinn Gray JAC 1 119.0 8 14 57.1 100 100.0 7.1 2 0 1 7 1 1
Clinton Portis WAS 16 118.8 1 2 50.0 17 1.1 8.5 1 0 0 0 3 2
Arnaz Battle SFO 10 118.8 2 2 100.0 27 2.7 13.5 0 0 0 0 1 1
Tony Fisher GNB 14 118.8 1 1 100.0 14 1.0 14.0 0 0 0 0 2 0
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[griffey_mojo]

wrong wrong wrong again. you guys are too funny. Griff you say that manning has a higher QB rating then palmer right. Well i'll get the list of those who had higher ratings this year than manning as well BRB.

Here ya go.....


Passer Rating
Rank Player Team Yds Att Cmp TDs Ints Long Rating
1 Peyton Manning IND 3747 453 305 28 10 80 104.1
2 Carson Palmer CIN 3836 509 345 32 12 70 101.1
3 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 2385 268 168 17 9 85 98.6
4 Matt Hasselbeck SEA 3459 449 294 24 9 56 98.2
5 Marc Bulger STL 2297 287 192 14 9 57 94.4
6 Tom Brady NE 4110 530 334 26 14 71 92.3
7 Jake Plummer DEN 3366 456 277 18 7 72 90.2
8 Trent Green KC 4014 507 317 17 10 60 90.1
9 Byron Leftwich JAC 2123 302 175 15 5 45 89.3
10 Drew Brees SD 3576 500 323 24 15 54 89.2
11 Brad Johnson MIN 1885 294 184 12 4 80 88.9
12 Jake Delhomme CAR 3421 435 262 24 16 80 88.1
13 Mark Brunell WAS 3050 454 262 23 10 78 85.9
14 Kurt Warner ARI 2713 375 242 11 9 63 85.8
15 Kelly Holcomb BUF 1509 230 155 10 8 65 85.6
16 Donovan McNabb PHI 2507 357 211 16 9 91 85.0
17 Drew Bledsoe DAL 3639 499 300 23 17 71 83.7
18 Steve McNair TEN 3161 476 292 16 11 57 82.4
19 Chris Simms TB 2035 313 191 10 7 78 81.4
20 Kerry Collins OAK 3759 565 302 20 12 79 77.3
21 David Carr HOU 2488 423 256 14 11 53 77.2
22 Trent Dilfer CLE 2321 333 199 11 12 80 76.9
23 Eli Manning NYG 3762 557 294 24 17 78 75.9
24 Josh McCown ARI 1836 270 163 9 11 49 74.9
25 Michael Vick ATL 2412 387 214 15 13 58 73.1
26 Brooks Bollinger NYJ 1558 266 150 7 6 60 72.9
27 Joey Harrington DET 2021 330 188 12 12 86 72.0
28 Gus Frerotte MIA 2996 494 257 18 13 60 71.9
29 Kyle Boller BAL 1799 293 171 11 12 47 71.8
30 Anthony Wright BAL 1582 266 164 6 9 48 71.7