Hanna is now selling plays!

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What a fake of course we would have dealt with it and sent her packing down to the service plays section. Funny thing the site she's monitored on record is BS* as that site just started running here a little while back so how could you have NFL plays, CFB plays etc.

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Monte,
You some how seem surprised. MANY on here told you this, KB especially, myself, GoldenGreek, etc. ALL this was told to you that she (?) had said this at other sites.
It was also told to you that Hanna wasn't the real person behind this - she (?) was just a "pretty face" used to lure people in.

Now, because of you being naive or hard headed or just plain ignorant of what was in front of you, this site lost 3 Mods who were working their butts off trying to keep YOUR site from crashing. They were doing it on their own time and running contests with their own money and they get "run off" by you and the main reason is that they were looking out for the site and you couldn't see it, or didn't want to see it.

It is sad that BC has come to this. I have over 10,000 posts and made friends here that I will continue to have. You had guys like Wayne, Spark, JC, KB, Dimer, Kaz, Longnex, etc., that are now gone and the ONLY common denominator is you. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.
This is probably my last post here and I am 99 % positive that you will delete it so for those that see this, I hope we keep in touch either via email or other sites, but as for this site, I am gone. Good luck you guys/gals in all your sports gambling !!!

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Curious why it even matters what Hanna does with her plays?If you are not using your own knowledge of the game and maybe looking for some conformation from the board here you really shouldn't be gambling in the first place because you are doomed to lose.I've always considered it cheap intertainment after all if they were that good they would be making money playing their plays not selling them.Just my 2 cents worth.

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Monte,
You some how seem surprised. MANY on here told you this, KB especially, myself, GoldenGreek, etc. ALL this was told to you that she (?) had said this at other sites.
It was also told to you that Hanna wasn't the real person behind this - she (?) was just a "pretty face" used to lure people in.

Now, because of you being naive or hard headed or just plain ignorant of what was in front of you, this site lost 3 Mods who were working their butts off trying to keep YOUR site from crashing. They were doing it on their own time and running contests with their own money and they get "run off" by you and the main reason is that they were looking out for the site and you couldn't see it, or didn't want to see it.

It is sad that BC has come to this. I have over 10,000 posts and made friends here that I will continue to have. You had guys like Wayne, Spark, JC, KB, Dimer, Kaz, Longnex, etc., that are now gone and the ONLY common denominator is you. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.
This is probably my last post here and I am 99 % positive that you will delete it so for those that see this, I hope we keep in touch either via email or other sites, but as for this site, I am gone. Good luck you guys/gals in all your sports gambling !!!

First off Dave in your other post you said that I picked Hanna over KB, but you weren't aware of all the facts plus you called me blind and stupid. Is that how you normally talk to people? Especially when you stated yourself that you didn't really know what all was going on. I mean you coach kids baseball do you call them blind and stupid? Now you're saying I'm hard headed or Ignorant which isn't true either.

I never took hanna over KB! What happened was Kaz talked to KB a week before about him posting so much at another site and how he didn't like it. Well according to Kaz KB and him got into it over that. Kaz told KB if you don't like it so much at BC then why don't you leave. The Kaz said that KB was throwing him under the bus to you, JC, Nex, Dimer and Vols stating that he was trying get KB to leave the site which wasn't true. I guess they mended the fences.

Next thing I know I get a private message on here from Kaz telling me that I needed to say something to KB about him posting at another site so much when he was a mod here plus he was wishing people good luck at the other site. I told Kaz that if I say something to KB he will leave. Kaz insisted that I need to say something to him. I hardly ever go to that other site,, but went over there and seen KB wishing people good luck and he wasn't doing it here. So the first thing I brought up to KB was down in the service section someone posted something and KB edited it telling them they were a cocksucker. I replied and said the rules are if they don't post a comp play they get a 1 day ban and what's the point of having rules meaning if we don't follow them.

From that point on all hell broke loose!

This how it took place in order on the site:

Direct Links included:

http://www.bettorschat.com/forums/sh...arn-extra-cash!


Me "Hard to tell with the reason you posted for banning the person."

KB "Maybe if you were around more to see shit for yourself, it wouldn't be a problem. Then YOU could take care of YOUR site the way YOU want to." Nice people skills or social skills

Me "I've been around so that excuse doesn't fly!"

KB "Ok Monte, whatever you say. Your whole 3 minutes here a day changes things immensely. LMFAO"

Me "Gee like your grand 3 minutes you've been here on the weekends. You going to call in the backup crew?? LMFAO"

KB "I'll admit, I'm not on during the weekends much. What do you want me to do, sit here and moderate the 3 fucking threads that are posted a day? I very rarely get on my computer during the weekend, especially if I don't bet anything. During the summer especially, I'm always out fucking around on the weekends."

Me "Ok, KB the things you have said in the admin section are beyond repair. You calling me a moron idiot cursing at me I'm sick and I can't take this shit any more as I've listened to it for months. You've had your foot out the door for some time now and that's a fact."

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KB "Not a bad weekend for a tout!"

Me "Do you have proof? I mean all I see is free plays being posted."

Me "Guess you don't have any proof Thanks as she quit posting, because you called her a tout KB!"

KB "You mad cause Kaz thought he had another internet girlfriend and now I'm the bad guy for running her off? Again, HILARIOUS!!! Plenty of

You really think some cute 18 year old girl knows all about UFC and baseball and all this other shit??? You've been around long enough to know it's a front for a tout. If you don't, I can't help you there."

Me "First off is she 18? Second off she could end up being a tout but calling her one with no proof is bullshit on your part."

KB "I've seen enough between her and sunshine11 to know she's a fucking tout. I'm not about to let members here get scammed by those 2. Call it bullshit on my part if you want, but you know that's always been a big passion of mine!"

Me "Yeah, worrying of others getting ripped off give me a break!

Guys Hanna doesn't post here anymore, because KB feels she's a tout even though she's only posted free plays. If she was to become a tout like all others that have tried they get sent down to the service area which is dead as well since KB curses and runs them all off."


Now, Dave I was told by Kaz that Hanna was not posting at the site any more, because of KB. Kaz admitted he made a mistake and she forgot to post. Like I said above if she went tout then she would be moved down to the service plays section like any others that have done the same. As you can see from the link and what I quoted look at how I'm being talked to. I'm being antagonized, cursed at, name called etc. My health cannot take that as I told Kaz that. I tried to call KB that day, but didn't answer as well as calling JC. I was told KB was out cutting the grass to try back later. Well I told Kaz when I talked to him on the phone that I took some medicine and was going to go lay down. Kaz asked me to call both KB and JC first which I did. No, answer and KB supposedly called me back, but I don't have a record of it on my caller ID. However, I went to bed after trying to call them woke up around 11:30 PM to 12:00 AM and was up until around 5:30 AM to 6:00 AM i came back on the site and had a private message from Kaz telling me to call KB at noon. I didn't wake up that afternoon until 2:30 pm or 3:00 Pm so it was to late to call KB.

Next thing I know is that I'm being told KB and JC are both done. KB reason is because I supposedly sent the other forum owner an e-mail that was nasty and cursing which was a lie told by Wayne. Of, course Wayne said that he said the e-mail was Nasty and supposedly didn't even read it. He said nothing about cursing which I assume he did as put that in there as well. I confronted the other site owner through emails and brought up about the Nasty and cursing email at least 3 or 4 times and he never once said you didn't send me anything like that or I don't know what you're talking about.

I originally sent the other site owner an e-mail on 6-24-15 about stealing my moderators Wayne and Spark as he had been trying for years to get Spark to come over to that site. And Wayne said clear back in 2010 that if Spark ever left he would leave as well. That was a slap in the face, but I didn't say anything about it as it would piss Wayne off. Just like when Spark would send me PM's telling me Wayne is arguing with members making himself look bad, the site look bad and he shouldn't be doing that I told spark I can't say anything to him as he will just get pissed at me. I guess Spark never said anything as these PM's took place more than once.

Back to the e-mail that I sent to the owner of the other site which was on 6-24-15 and he was conveniently gone and didn't get back until the explosion on this site took place to read my original e-mail about why are you stealing my mods Wayne and Spark. Hardly nasty nor any cursing.

Then I raised the question of now you're trying to steal another of my Mods KB and he said I don't know any Kyle. I never mentioned his first name which is another lie on that site owners part.

Now for the part that you and the rest haven't been privileged to see. Where I'm getting cursed at, antagonized, threatened etc by KB. I can't take that type of stuff as it stresses me out and one of the worst problems for congestive heart failure which I have is stress! I was going to talk to both KB and JC to bring them both back (note JC quit as a moderator then told Kaz why didn't I call him first, Well had JC put that in his post in the enclosed pictures I would have called him first). And hell I was going to even allow Dimer and Vols to be mods that way they can run the site mostly on how they thought it should be. Like I said though the lie about the e-mail prevented KB from talking to me.

I don't think it's right one person can curse, call names, antagonize, threaten another person when they are not responding in the same manner back until I get pissed as my stress level is soaring through the roof and my responses after getting pissed are still not on the same level meaning they are not nearly as bad. Now if you think it's ok for someone to speak to a person that way especially when they are sick as I have many more health problems along with the congestive heart failure then I don't know what to say. If you were in my shoes and it was making you sicker to be talked to that way I think you would get frustrated and upset because you're feeling even worse. Like I told Kaz later that night when I woke up I was light headed, having palpitations and thought I was going to pass out. I should have went to the hospital, but didn't care.

Just like a few days ago I did pass out in my bathroom banging my head on the bathroom tub, but got up and went to bed. I was having palpitations and light headiness again should have went to the ER, but didn't as I didn't care. All the stress from this is too much. I can't take being talked to in a manner that isn't reciprocal to the way that I talk. Those posts above prove it and so does this enclosed attachments.

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Images are small so you can save them and make them larger or make your screen larger as I couldn't attach 1 image as it's too big of a file.

On another note both Kaz and JC talked & said KB shouldn't be posting at the other site nor calling hanna a tout as they discussed it, but neither of them wanted to say anything to KB. Like I said I didn't want to bring it up either, but Kaz insisted.

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I'm going to try and see how to upload a bigger file image so it's easier to read

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Actually if you right click and save the image you can blow it up on your computer to see the full text, but I will still see about uploading a bigger file as this software has a setting somewhere that limits the size.

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Curious why it even matters what Hanna does with her plays?If you are not using your own knowledge of the game and maybe looking for some conformation from the board here you really shouldn't be gambling in the first place because you are doomed to lose.I've always considered it cheap intertainment after all if they were that good they would be making money playing their plays not selling them.Just my 2 cents worth.

gl to everyone

Hammy, you're correct if they have to sell plays its because they can't win! I used to allow service plays to be posted on the site years back and I kept records for a while and the majority of them lost! They hit in the 40%-55% range. Now some of them had different winning unit values etc, but for the most part it's simple they can't win on there own. However, we have always allowed them to post on the site as long as they post a comp play. It brings people to the site and those people look at other stuff on the site. If you run them off then I loose people coming to the site to look at those comp plays who look at other stuff on the site so it's not a good marketing move to do away with it.

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Monte, I did not want to respond to your reponse but I felt compelled to when you ask me if I call my players blind and stupid. The answer to that is of course not.
First, I want to say that I feel sorry for you with your health conditions. I don't wish that on anyone and I can promise you that NO ONE else does either - not Wayne, Spark, KB, JC, Kaz, etc., - wishes that on anyone.
But, due to your health complications, to me, it would seem even more reason to just let you Mods run the site.

Monte, as they say, perception is reality. NO ONE here that is not a Mod, is privvy to the private PMs and messages that you have shared with all the Mods that have been here. And honestly, none of us really need to know all that. That is "dirty laundry" that should not be aired out to the regular posters who post here.
However, as I said above, in the publics eyes, perception is reality. All we see is what we read on this forum. When KB questioned Hanna about her motives, he was 100 % spot on because he had seen it at other sites. I also had seen it at another site. Whether KB, being a Mod here, should have been at other sites is not the issue. He had seen it and he was right. This woman (?), whom I believe is sunshine from another site, was on here strickly to lure and deceive the naive posters here into purchasing plays. KB was trying to let people know this.
I understand that you want services to post here so that you can get the traffic to the site. I believe KB understands that also, even though I have not spoken to him about this, I believe he knows this. KB just doesn't like the deception that occurs and how it suckers naive posters into purchasing plays. Hanna was here strictly for that reason and KB knew that. So did I and a few other posters.
When you "took" Hannas side over KB's, that is what all of us saw - perception being reality. Especially since I also knew what she/he was up to.

I didn't mean to imply that you were blind, stupid, ignorant, etc. I was simply saying that is what I saw because of your actions - that you were either being very naive or blind, etc. Again, perception is reality. Its what I saw as did many other posters. I don't believe you are stupid or ignorant but I do believe you are very naive to what went on and what is going on.
I do not need to know all the private emails, PMs, etc that went on - nor do I want to know.

I hope your health gets better Monte, I really do. I also believe that for your health to get better, you need to step away from here - either sell the site or lets new Mods run the site. From your responses here, you can't get healthy being on the site.

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Dave, I never took hanna's side as I went by went Kaz told me. I would have never brought it up if it wasn't for kaz bringing it up to me and insisting that I say something to him. JC and Kaz both discussed that KB should not be calling her a tout and that he shouldn't be at the other site so much. Yet they didn't want to bring it up to their friend since Kaz did before and KB got pissed.

Again I would never choose a new poster over someone that had been here for 10 years. I moved all of her posts down to the service section a while back before she announced she was going pay. I know she's not from Canada she's from Florida and the only forum that wouldn't let her register is the one that everyone left this one for which could just be a coincidence, then again it may not be. She's been banned from 2 or 3 forums already. Also using a proxy out of Canada and claiming a wager with William Hill who doesn't take USA bets so she didn't bet the play. And like I said she is on a pick monitoring site and her record is BS!

My only issue was KB calling her a tout when she was doing nothing more than posting free plays. Like i said before we have dealt with these type of people before and when they start a service they are moved down to the service section so in reality it was no big deal. And again the only reason I brought it up was Kaz told me she quit posting, because of KB. And she was only posting free plays. If everyone that came to the site was thought of being a tout how many members would be ran off?

Selling the site is not an option.

This is what I do to pay my bills and with my health conditions this is the type of job that I have to do. One that I can work when I can and take off when I have too as I have Chronic Fatigue and sleep at least 16 hours a day and have even slept as much as 24 hours straight. So there is no other job out there for me. So loosing members to another site etc has put me in a bad spot. That is one of the reasons why I was calling KB and JC. And that's one of the reasons that I said that I would allow them to moderate the site along with dimer and Vols. And even Kaz if he wanted too. I would still be here and have suggestions, but I can't take being cursed at, called names, antagonized, threatened, told I have no social skills or people skills, am thankless etc. As it has an effect on me and my health. I don't talk to these guys this way and all I expect was to be talked to in the same manner that I spoke to them which didn't happen.

Go back and read what I posted and the links and you will see how I was being talked to by KB which isn't right. I wasn't talking to him in that manner and shouldn't have been receiving that type of talk etc back from him. I've been on here 2 hours every day trying to get people to the site through social media etc. And to be told I'm here 3 minutes a day is a rude comment.

So if those guys moderate the site how would that work? Would I get blamed for not being here all day? As I can't as it's impossible due to my health.