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    Every week, seemingly meaningless actions on the field of play affect gambling spreads. A late touchdown for a team that is getting blown out or a buzzer-beating 3-pointer for a team that already had a win in hand.


    But rarely does a coach decide whether the bettors win or lose.


    That's exactly what happened on Thursday night as San Francisco 49ers head coach Jim Harbaugh elected to decline a safety and instead take over on downs with 43 seconds to go, so as to not give the Seattle Seahawks a chance to get the ball back.


    "I have never seen that," tweeted longtime Las Vegas bookmaker Jay Kornegay, who now runs the race and sports book at the Las Vegas Hotel and Casino. "Crazy to see that with the cover on the line."

    By declining the safety, the 49ers ended up winning 13-6. Those extra two points left off the board hurt everyone betting on the 49ers to cover a 7- to 8-point spread. Those who took the Seahawks cheered in disbelief at Las Vegas sports books.


    John Avello, head of the race and sports book for the Wynn in Las Vegas, said the reaction to Harbaugh taking points off the board was even crazier than it was in Week 3, when the replacement refs ruled that the Seahawks' Golden Tate scored a touchdown, giving Seattle the win against the Green Bay Packers, and all who bet on them the win against the spread.


    The worldwide swing in bets for that game, including online and overseas sports books, was estimated at as little as $150 million and as much as $1 billion.


    "This game was just as much of a swing, if not more," Avello said.


    Although this was a Thursday night game compared to the Monday night game in Week 3, and Monday night games typically are bet on more, Avello said this game was particularly attractive to bettors.


    All week, Avello said the 49ers were 7-point favorites. Then yesterday, the line at the Wynn moved by half-points all the way up to 9 before settling back down at 8.


    "If Harbaugh took the safety, this would have been an absolute disaster for us," Avello said. "We would have had to return all bets at 9, which were almost all Seahawks bets, and everything else from 7 to 8½ were mostly 49ers bets, so they would have won."


    USA Today betting analyst Danny Sheridan told ESPN.com that he estimates that $250 million to $300 million in total was bet worldwide on the game, with an average of 65 percent of the spread bets on the 49ers.


    Gambling insider Jimmy Vaccaro, who has been in the industry for 37 years, said that he had never seen a coach take points off the board other than a roughing-the-kicker penalty on a made field goal. But he is well aware of the human element of the game and the gambling world.


    "With the Packers game, it was in the hands of the replacement refs, and this time it was in the hands of Harbaugh's decision," said Vaccaro, who is now spokesman for William Hill North America, which sets the lines for 150 sports books in Nevada. "That's what makes sports betting so unique. There's always a human touch involved."


    Vaccaro said he would bet "a billion dollars" that Harbaugh had no idea that his decision had any impact on gambling.


    After the game, Harbaugh explained that simply kneeling on the ball would ensure that the game would be over, instead giving them to change to kick the ball after the safety. "Otherwise, they'll onside kick it and you give them a chance to win the game," Harbaugh said.


    Despite a down economy, Vaccaro said sports gambling results like this have remained very high-profile because the industry hasn't seen the dip that others have.

    "No matter how bad the economy is, I've always said that two things stay steady: pizza sales and sports betting," Vaccaro said. "I don't know where they get the money from, but people have a hard time giving up that part of their life."

  • #2
    i should get the win in our hilton contest lmao
    rjeremy for my accounts manager/i love how he keeps numbers

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    • #3
      He is so unlikeable. Yeah don't let your fans that bet on you win a bet.

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      • #4
        Letswinalot..I think Harbaugh is an awesome coach and I think its bad ass how he doesn't really care what the media thinks. Whether or not his decision was the right call, he made it by not giving two shits what the rest of us think. If your comment is complete sarcasm, forget I said anything :D

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        • #5
          I think it was simply put, a STUPID and HORRIBLE coaching move. No other way about it. You go up 2 scores with under a minute to go. Instead you stay up one and hope there isn't a bad snap or something? Absolutely RETARDED call on Harbaugh's part.

          And the outcome didn't affect my wagers either way.
          Last edited by wayne1218; 10-19-2012, 07:29 PM.

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          • #6
            I just felt like it was 6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other. You take the safety; it takes a couple of onside recoveries and two scores for Seattle to come back. You don't take the safety; Seattle has to get fumble recovery off of a kneel down then march down the field for a TD. Damn near impossible for either of these things to happen (if you had to pick one that was more likely it would be the onside kicks and two scores, however) so I think it just came down to not wanting to risk injury on any "real" plays. If you do the kneel down, no one moves, no collisions, no injuries, end of game...unless you are playing my Bucs ha

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            • #7
              ...I mean the onside kicks and two scores would be less likely to happen........at least I think. If you look at statistics for all that stuff I could be wrong

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              • #8
                Originally posted by weston555 View Post
                ...I mean the onside kicks and two scores would be less likely to happen........at least I think. If you look at statistics for all that stuff I could be wrong
                They need to get 2 onside kicks and score twice in about what, 40 seconds? Anything can happen when you are one score down. Seattle would have needed a LOT more things to happen down 2 scores. It is simple logic to take free points and go up 2 scores. More than likely you get 1 or both onside kicks and take a knee anyway. I think it is far from 6 in one and half dozen in the other when you play the percentages up 2 scores or up 1 with under a minute to go.

                Dumbest coaching call i may have ever seen!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by weston555 View Post
                  Letswinalot..I think Harbaugh is an awesome coach and I think its bad ass how he doesn't really care what the media thinks. Whether or not his decision was the right call, he made it by not giving two shits what the rest of us think. If your comment is complete sarcasm, forget I said anything :D
                  He is a good coach, but he is a dickhead!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by weston555 View Post
                    Letswinalot..I think Harbaugh is an awesome coach and I think its bad ass how he doesn't really care what the media thinks. Whether or not his decision was the right call, he made it by not giving two shits what the rest of us think. If your comment is complete sarcasm, forget I said anything :D
                    Thanks for posting Weston, appreciate your input
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                    • #11
                      Well when taking into consideration the injury part of the argument I would say there isn't a right or wrong call. I understand sealing the deal by going up two scores but in actuality the fumble recovery and score by the Seahawks just isn't going to happen either. And hell, its possible for Alex Smith to hurt his leg on a kneel down but I would say the only thing Harbaugh had in mind was to avoid his players getting hurt. In my opinion, either call makes sense

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                      • #12
                        I would also think in this day and age of craziness, you also think of tiebreakers. If they ever did come in to play, you may want those 2 points. I just do not see a benefit to refusing points. I understand your points weston, I just think for many more reasons it's the wrong call.

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                        • #13
                          Never thought of the points for tiebreaker but that is true as well..with all that said, to hell with the Seahawks. I can't stand them anymore!

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                          • #14
                            Ok I didnt have a dog in this fight as I bet the over which was a loser so I'm just gonna chime in with my opinion.

                            I have no problem with Harbaugh doing what he did he is the coach its his team. With that said....I think it was a terrible call and here's why......

                            If SF was up by like 3-6 pts I'd say take the safety away and take the knee. It makes no difference. Seattle could still score and go for 2pt conversion and tie it up no need to risk it....unlikely but possible. Fact is SF was up 7 with 50sec left. That safety made it a 9 pt game....That is the key A 9pt game!!!! 8 pt game could be tied up. unless there is some 9pt play that I'm not aware of it is practically impossible to come back and win a game with that little time left. You would need to on side kick...then recover. then score. on side kick again recover and kick a FG in less than a minute with no timeouts. has it ever happend before??

                            Bottom line.....Seattle covered thee entire game and seattle was the correct side last night. if SF backers sucked out a cover that would have been a shame.
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                            • #15
                              I haven't read but what I did earlier, but my coach Tom Coughlin is not that cool. I'll be honest. No NFL coach is cool dude, don't be butthurt...

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