Wow tiger woods went off today -8

[Watchtower76]

PLEASE wt, competition is that much better? That only sounds good if you would rather believe that than the truth. I'm not buying it. It would be one thing if tiger finished 1 stroke back in these tourneys and just came up short. He isn't. So what, you are telling me 5 years ago +4 would have been good enough but now others are just better? C'mon!!!

Tiger isn't winning the majors because HE is putting up the scores he used to. It has ZERO to do with others!!!!

Open your eyes if you don't think competition is better now then in the 60's that just stupid.

Jack played against Gene littler, lanny wadkins, hubert green, trevino, johnny miller...It's a joke if you think they are near any of the top 10 that are currently playing...

[Watchtower76]

tiger isnt even close to as good as Jack.

Is tiger the best in our generation. I will state it again for the kool-aid drinkers.... YES!!!!!!!!

Lets just do a lil side by side shall we.

Tiger woods 14 majors
Jack Nicklaus 18 majors

Runner ups in majors:

Eldrick 6
Jack 19

yes i said 19!!!!!!

Come from behind victories in a Major:

Tigger ZERO
Jack 8

***NOTE***
Tiger has NEVER thats right EVER come back from behind to take away a Major from a competitor. If the guy aint tied or leading on sunday in a major he aint winning....FACT go google it or Bing it or whatever you want!!!!

The tougher field today vs. Jack I will concede to you.
The thing is.....Jack had far inferior equipment and technology
that today's game offers players such as Tiger.


Bottom line. Tiger isnt as dominate or feared on tour like he was 10yrs ago. He just isnt. Times have changed. He is still a top 10 golfer. Just not a shoe-in to win majors....He just isnt.

love seeing his 18 major wins and who's in 2nd along with the scores
Us Open -2 Runnerup Palmer
Master -2 Runner up Tony Lema WHO
PGA -5 R.U Dave Ragan WHO
masters -17 impressive wins by 9
masters E RUnner up Gay f'n brewer LOL
(so in 1965 he wins -17 but in 66 he wins at the masters shooting E) that's a joke right there...NO COMPETITION
US open -2 RU doup sanders and Dave Thomas WHO and WHO
US open -9 good round RU palmer
open championship -5 doug sanders
pga -7 RU bill casper
masters -2 RU bobby mitchell WHO

Point being if you honestly think the competition is the same then your f'n stupid

[Watchtower76]

Wow ... 18 wins and 19 runner ups in majors. I didn't know that. That really is amazing!!!

What cracks me up about the competition thing is yeah, the field as a whole may be a little tougher today but Jack had to go against freakin' Gary Player and Arnold Palmer in his day. Guys with a combined 16 Majors themselves. There is no Arnold or Gary to go against Tiger. He has Phil and his what, 5 Majors? Some would say Tiger has had it easier based on not facing those 2 guys, having better technology, medicines, travel accomodations and some would say Roids. That is just a dumb argument and very flawed if you believe it IMO!

wayne those were the only 3 golfers playing, have you done any studying about who was in the field back then. fyi gary and arnold weren't that great, they just were playing at the right time, these runner ups of jacks wins are laughable from Tony Lema, dave ragan, gay brewer, doug sanders, dave thomas, tommy jacobs, billy casper, isao aoki, andy F"n bean, crampton, weiskopf, simon owen all WHO"S

that's a joke in itself, if you don't think the field of Tiger woods, mickelson, rory, adam scott, justin rose, kunchar, snedeker, dufner, mcDowell and stenson wouldn't blow away

it took from when he turned pro in 1996 and june 1997 to become the #1 ranked golfer, hence he competition wasn't that hard to get there.

[KazDog]

love seeing his 18 major wins and who's in 2nd along with the scores
Us Open -2 Runnerup Palmer
Master -2 Runner up Tony Lema WHO
PGA -5 R.U Dave Ragan WHO
masters -17 impressive wins by 9
masters E RUnner up Gay f'n brewer LOL
(so in 1965 he wins -17 but in 66 he wins at the masters shooting E) that's a joke right there...NO COMPETITION
US open -2 RU doup sanders and Dave Thomas WHO and WHO
US open -9 good round RU palmer
open championship -5 doug sanders
pga -7 RU bill casper
masters -2 RU bobby mitchell WHO

Point being if you honestly think the competition is the same then your f'n stupid

Rarely post any longer but couldn't resist.

It's easy to say now, who were those guys 50 friggin' years ago. No one remembers those names. But guess what?

In 50 years from now, they will look back on Tiger's major victories and ask these questions....

1999 PGA Championship runner up......Sergo Garcia. Who?
2000 US Open runner up..........Miguel Angel Jimenez. Who?
2000 British Open runner up.....Thomas Bjorn. Who?
2000 PGA runner up..........Bob f'n May. Who?
2000 Master's runner up.....David Duval. Who?
2002 Master's runner up.......Retief Goosen. Who?
2005 Master's runner up........Chris f'n Demarco. Who?
2005 British Open runner up........Colin Montgomarie. Who?
2006 British Open runner up.........Chris f'n Demarco again. Who?
2006 PGA runner up......Shaun Micheel. Who?
2007 PGA runner up.....Woody Austin. LMAO. WHo?
2008 US Open runner up...... Rocco Mediate. LMAO AGAIN. WHO?

We may all know these names now, but in 50 years they are gonna be a group of nobodies, most who haven't won a major.

So please, don't try and compare era's. Your argument is flawed.....

[wayne1218]

wayne those were the only 3 golfers playing, have you done any studying about who was in the field back then. fyi gary and arnold weren't that great, they just were playing at the right time, these runner ups of jacks wins are laughable from Tony Lema, dave ragan, gay brewer, doug sanders, dave thomas, tommy jacobs, billy casper, isao aoki, andy F"n bean, crampton, weiskopf, simon owen all WHO"S

that's a joke in itself, if you don't think the field of Tiger woods, mickelson, rory, adam scott, justin rose, kunchar, snedeker, dufner, mcDowell and stenson wouldn't blow away

it took from when he turned pro in 1996 and june 1997 to become the #1 ranked golfer, hence he competition wasn't that hard to get there.

That's hilarious. I should do my homework huh? You are the one looking clueless. In post 361 you mention jacks only competition back then and conveniently leave out 2 of the greatest of all time in player and Palmer. Don't give me that fuckin crap about not that good either. You are truly dillusional if you believe that

[wayne1218]

I can't get past what may be the dumbest comment in this thread, "Arnold and Gary were not that great, they were playing at the right time"

Wow, maybe you need to do a little homework on that one.

Maybe tiger got lucky and he is playing at the right time in his career too. Ever thought of that? For someone who acts like a golf expert here WT, you seem to know less and less each time you talk, or maybe the facts simply don't fit your argument so you leave them out?

[Watchtower76]

Rarely post any longer but couldn't resist.

It's easy to say now, who were those guys 50 friggin' years ago. No one remembers those names. But guess what?

In 50 years from now, they will look back on Tiger's major victories and ask these questions....

1999 PGA Championship runner up......Sergo Garcia. Who?
2000 US Open runner up..........Miguel Angel Jimenez. Who?
2000 British Open runner up.....Thomas Bjorn. Who?
2000 PGA runner up..........Bob f'n May. Who?
2000 Master's runner up.....David Duval. Who?
2002 Master's runner up.......Retief Goosen. Who?
2005 Master's runner up........Chris f'n Demarco. Who?
2005 British Open runner up........Colin Montgomarie. Who?
2006 British Open runner up.........Chris f'n Demarco again. Who?
2006 PGA runner up......Shaun Micheel. Who?
2007 PGA runner up.....Woody Austin. LMAO. WHo?
2008 US Open runner up...... Rocco Mediate. LMAO AGAIN. WHO?

We may all know these names now, but in 50 years they are gonna be a group of nobodies, most who haven't won a major.

So please, don't try and compare era's. Your argument is flawed.....

Very valid point Kaz, from that i totally agree with you.

Pt i'm trying to make is the field in these everyday tourny's right now are a hell of a lot deeper, hell of a lot harder to get on the tour, let alone survive the top125 to retain your card.

The point i'm trying to make is 50 years ago, they didn't have a web.com tour for hopefuls, they didn't have thousands and thousands of people trying to qualify for the US Open in local qualifiers that dream to make it to the show.

You had a era that people were Way above avg, but i think in todays talents, majority would be web.com players vs today's players. I don't think they would have considered themselves elite golfers against this day in age players.

I would love to see the workout programs everyone does now vs back then, weights, trainings, practice times, swing technology etc.

Would love to see arnold go threw a 1 month session with dustin johnson.

[Watchtower76]

I can't get past what may be the dumbest comment in this thread, "Arnold and Gary were not that great, they were playing at the right time"

Wow, maybe you need to do a little homework on that one.

Maybe tiger got lucky and he is playing at the right time in his career too. Ever thought of that? For someone who acts like a golf expert here WT, you seem to know less and less each time you talk, or maybe the facts simply don't fit your argument so you leave them out?

Were beating a dead horse wayne, you think people 50 years ago are great, i think they are good golfers that wouldn't f'n stand a chance in today's competition, and i don't even think it's CLOSE. We will never agree on that, but to say tiger f'n chokes is f'n stupid and if you knew that he always chokes, then take a bet with me.

Your a betting man, back up your f'n comments

If i knew a team or a player always chokes, i'd bet against him everytime.'

Lets do tiger wins more then 1 major the next 2 years.

Simple bet, odds are in your favor and we can sit back and see who's right

[KazDog]

Very valid point Kaz, from that i totally agree with you.

Pt i'm trying to make is the field in these everyday tourny's right now are a hell of a lot deeper, hell of a lot harder to get on the tour, let alone survive the top125 to retain your card.

The point i'm trying to make is 50 years ago, they didn't have a web.com tour for hopefuls, they didn't have thousands and thousands of people trying to qualify for the US Open in local qualifiers that dream to make it to the show.

You had a era that people were Way above avg, but i think in todays talents, majority would be web.com players vs today's players. I don't think they would have considered themselves elite golfers against this day in age players.

I would love to see the workout programs everyone does now vs back then, weights, trainings, practice times, swing technology etc.

Would love to see arnold go threw a 1 month session with dustin johnson.

You can't compare era's. You just can't. You can't in baseball, football, basketball, golf, tennis. Everything has changed. The level of competition was just as tough back then against Jack because they were all on the same playing field. Just like they are today.

Hell, I think the competition the last couple of years is twice as tough as when Tiger won all his majors. So if you're gonna knock Jack on the level of competition, then you'll have to knock Tiger for winning the major's he's won because the competition he faced was inferior to today's competitors....

Anyhow. I don't have a dog in this fight really. You've all made valid points....

[wayne1218]

Were beating a dead horse wayne, you think people 50 years ago are great, i think they are good golfers that wouldn't f'n stand a chance in today's competition, and i don't even think it's CLOSE. We will never agree on that, but to say tiger f'n chokes is f'n stupid and if you knew that he always chokes, then take a bet with me.

Your a betting man, back up your f'n comments

If i knew a team or a player always chokes, i'd bet against him everytime.'

Lets do tiger wins more then 1 major the next 2 years.

Simple bet, odds are in your favor and we can sit back and see who's right

I would bet that tiger will win one in the next 2 years too. DUH!!!

Do I think he catches jack? NO. Do I think he can win 1 major in 2 years? Yeah probably. That may be the lamest bet ever offered here.

Ill tell you what moneybags, ill bet you $100 on every single major for the rest of his career. I have the field as suggested and you have your mancrush tiger. Put your money where your mouth is and get off this 1 in 2 years pussy crap. You claim to make thousands on golf so this wager should be pennies for you.

We can each send spark $400 to hold before the masters to cover 2014. You in or are you sticking to the lame ass he must win 1 of 8 tourney wagers you offered?

[wayne1218]

I don't want to hear about odds or anything either because if you went to Vegas and bet Will Tiger win at least 1 major in the next 2 years, yes would probably be around -600 and no would probably be +400 and you wanted that wager at even odds too. You keep begging people for a wager so are you going to put your money where your mouth is or back peddle?

[Watchtower76]

I don't want to hear about odds or anything either because if you went to Vegas and bet Will Tiger win at least 1 major in the next 2 years, yes would probably be around -600 and no would probably be +400 and you wanted that wager at even odds too. You keep begging people for a wager so are you going to put your money where your mouth is or back peddle?

Hey wayne,

Read what I said, MORE then one in the next two years meaning That he wins 2+ ...never once was my bet that he'll win one, that's a lock, I matter of fact Was fn putting my money where my mouth is and said if he wins 1 I'll double the amount and give it to you...basically 2-1 on 1 win you'd receive ...1-1 on 2 wins, and I get 2-1 if its 3 or more out of the next 8...

Lol on tiger not beating jack for majors, ignorance at its finest, but that's right wayne and all the haters call him a choke so he must be, blah blah blah

I would owe you 1k if its 0 or 1 majors

$500 I win for 2 wins

$1000 to me 3+

[wayne1218]

Who cares about 1K if you are making over 12 grand on a tourney like last weekend. You made your offer and I made mine. Both seem to suit our needs. If you change your mind let me know. Something tells me you won't though. I'm not waiting 2 fuckin years to cash a bet. Tourney by tourney.

[wayne1218]

I would debate ignorance at its finest with your comments about Palmer and player. I still can't get over how ignorant that was. Let me guess, Jordan wasn't that great and neither was joe Montana right?

[wayne1218]

How in the world you can call guys who won over a 150 tourneys and 9 majors and over 100 tourneys and 7 majors not that great is beyond me and really fucked up. As a golf fan you should know winning just 1 major is difficult and you certainly don't just trip over them during a career. You earn every one.