New England/Ravens Info

[jcindaville]

Ravens and 8 or more is a good bet IMO.

I really don't care to much about SOS at this point and I am certainly not impressed with beating Denver or the lackluster win over Houston and their obvious no QB.

Ravens still have a damn good D and a solid running game, and versus a suspect Defense I will take 8 points if it's available. Same logic I used in taking 8 with Houston v Ravens

[jcindaville]

Flacco isn't great but he is serviceable, the Ravens have never won with stellar QB play

[Letswinalot]

Id say NE get revenge at home, but I dont know about covering.

[ravenmaniac]

Alex Smith played like a beast in that game...when has Flacco ever played that well in a "BIG" game? I understand that you're a Ravens fan, but take off the purple shaded glasses for a second and admit Flacco hasn't been anywhere close to really good in a BIG game.

He wasn't good against the Steelers in the playoffs last season. He was brutal in the 2009 playoffs and he was brutal in the 2008 playoffs.

6 TDs 7 INTs career in the playoffs

I'm not saying the Ravens can't beat the Pats...I'm saying Flacco better come up big if they wanna go to the SB.

I don't have purple colored glasses. Do you see me saying the Ravens are gonna win or that Flacco is a franchise QB. Hell I would trade him for Andy Dalton in a minute. However I am only stating the facts about the Pats schedule this year. They had a very easy schedule and lost both games to the 2 quality teams they played. Do what you want with the info

[savage1]

I think it is imperative for Baltimore to get the early lead and put the pressure on Brady as they did several years ago to have a chance in this game.
I think if Baltimore at any point trails by 10 or more, their chances are extremely small of coming back.
That said, as a Pats fan I would be very hesitant to give 7 1/2 points in the game simply because there are still very big questions about the Pats defense.

[wayne1218]

I don't have purple colored glasses. Do you see me saying the Ravens are gonna win or that Flacco is a franchise QB. Hell I would trade him for Andy Dalton in a minute. However I am only stating the facts about the Pats schedule this year. They had a very easy schedule and lost both games to the 2 quality teams they played. Do what you want with the info

It is mind boggling to look at the Patriots schedule and the Ravens schedule and say New England had an easy schedule.

If you truly believe that based soley on another stat you heard about not beating a winning team, you truly do have purple colored glasses on.

I put numbers up that actually mattered about how teams were playing when they met and you choose to ignore that and go with another stat that is just as meaningless as 2011 preseason SOS. End of season numbers mean just as little as preseason numbers do because everybody on the planet knows they didn't play every team after week 17 and that teams play much differently throughout the season.

If you take away similiar opponents,

Balt played Clev (2), Cincy (2), Tenn, STL, Hous, Jack, Ariz, Sea, SF,

New England played Mia (2), Buff (2), Oak, NYG, Dallas, KC, Philly, Wash, Denv

Balt did play Pitt one more time than NE and the Patriots did play the NYJ one more time than the Ravens.

It amazes me that you can't get off the NE path here and assume it was so much easier than Baltimore. I just don't see it but i could be wrong!

1 Sun, Sep 11 vsPittsburgh
2 Sun, Sep 18 @Tennessee
3 Sun, Sep 25 @St. Louis
4 Sun, Oct 2 vsNew York J
6 Sun, Oct 16 vsHouston
7 Mon, Oct 24 @Jacksonville
8 Sun, Oct 30 vsArizona
9 Sun, Nov 6 @Pittsburgh
10 Sun, Nov 13 @Seattle
11 Sun, Nov 20 vsCincinnati
12 Thu, Nov 24 vsSan Francisco
13 Sun, Dec 4 @Cleveland
14 Sun, Dec 11 vsIndianapolis
15 Sun, Dec 18 @San Diego
16 Sat, Dec 24 vsCleveland
17 Sun, Jan 1 @Cincinnati

1 Mon, Sep 12 @Miami
2 Sun, Sep 18 vsSan Diego
3 Sun, Sep 25 @Buffalo
4 Sun, Oct 2 @Oakland
5 Sun, Oct 9 vsNew York J
6 Sun, Oct 16 vsDallas
8 Sun, Oct 30 @Pittsburgh
9 Sun, Nov 6 vsNew York G
10 Sun, Nov 13 @New York J
11 Mon, Nov 21 vsKansas City
12 Sun, Nov 27 @Philadelphia
13 Sun, Dec 4 vsIndianapolis
14 Sun, Dec 11 @Washington
15 Sun, Dec 18 @Denver
16 Sat, Dec 24 vsMiami
17 Sun, Jan 1 vsBuffalo

[wayne1218]

This isn't irrelevAnt. The Patriots faced 8 teams this year with a "Winning Record" when they played them. They went (6-2) in those games

Home vs SD, NYJ, NYG

Road vs Pitt, Oak, NYJ, Buff, Denv

Baltimore played only 6 teams with a "Winning Record" when they met and they went (6-0)

Home vs NYJ, Hou, Cin, SF

Road vs Pitt, Cin


Again, how the hell was the Patriots path so much easier? I just don't see it raven.

When NE was losing to Pitt and the Giants, Balty was losing to Jack. and Seattle

[ravenmaniac]

Baltimore played only 6 teams with a "Winning Record" when they met and they went (6-0)

Home vs NYJ, Hou, Cin, SF

Road vs Pitt, Cin


Again, how the hell was the Patriots path so much easier? I just don't see it raven.

When NE was losing to Pitt and the Giants, Balty was losing to Jack. and Seattle

Your entitled to your own opinion and I am entitled to mine. If the Pats beat someone in the 3rd game of the season who was 2-0 at the time sure the Pats beat a team with a winning record. But if the team they beat goes on and loses 9 games in a row after and finishes the season 3-13 then how can you say it was a quality team they beat. The bottom line is how many teams did the Pats beat who went to the playoffs and the answer is none. How many teams did they lose to who went to the playoffs. The answer is the only 2 they played. The Ravens are now 7-0 against teams who went to the playoffs. If you think those stats mean the Pats played a tougher schedule than Baltimore then so be it.

[3rdmckid]

Personally I am a bills fan so I can say a couple things: 1. For sure the pats should not have lost to us but Brady had an uncharacteristicly bad game and some bad bounces...2.The AFC East and NFC east were garbage with a capital G this year !! Any other year if you had to play against the NFC east as an AFC team, you might shiver a bit, but not this year....I think ravens had harder games to play when they faced certain teams and the timing of the games, but I don't think it matters at this point and adds no value to who you like next week....my 2 (or 32 cents)....

[wayne1218]

The schedules and opponents are right there for everybody to see raven. You would be the only person on this forum that thinks a team plays the same way in week 17 that they did in week 3, 7 or 10. Teams are always evolving, one way or another. It's not simply my opinion, it's called breaking down a random number you threw out there after week 17. Sometimes you need to disect things and take a closer look to see the truth.

[wayne1218]

Personally I am a bills fan so I can say a couple things: 1. For sure the pats should not have lost to us but Brady had an uncharacteristicly bad game and some bad bounces...2.The AFC East and NFC east were garbage with a capital G this year !! Any other year if you had to play against the NFC east as an AFC team, you might shiver a bit, but not this year....I think ravens had harder games to play when they faced certain teams and the timing of the games, but I don't think it matters at this point and adds no value to who you like next week....my 2 (or 32 cents)....

The Bills are a good example. They beat NE when they were in the middle of a (4-1) start. They were (5-4) when they lost Fred Jackson and they went on to lose just about every game after that.

[3rdmckid]

this thread should be set up to talk about match ups...ravens secondary can still match up very well with traditional wide receivers but the new twin towers at tight end and the mini me slot receivers the pats have cause a lot of match up issues when you have a person in tom brady who can deliver the ball on time and target ....Furthermore, the ravens d looked a little shakey with the running of foster (though he is a beast)
These are the statements I think people should make in this thread to help us all determine who is the better bet, that's right BET, come sunday...me included !!

[3rdmckid]

The Bills are a good example. They beat NE when they were in the middle of a (4-1) start. They were (5-4) when they lost Fred Jackson and they went on to lose just about every game after that.

But the bills were an apparition (sp ghost) all year as they were never that good, won because of the turn over ratio which was not caused by them or deserved, they have some talent but shouldn't have won most games they did this year so that point is somewhat invalid...I thought it was crazy when the bills were ranked so high in the power rankings...made no sense to me?

[wayne1218]

But the bills were an apparition (sp ghost) all year as they were never that good, won because of the turn over ratio which was not caused by them or deserved, they have some talent but shouldn't have won most games they did this year so that point is somewhat invalid...I thought it was crazy when the bills were ranked so high in the power rankings...made no sense to me?

So are turnovers not a part of football? And was losing Jackson not a huge deal?

[ravenmaniac]

The schedules and opponents are right there for everybody to see raven. You would be the only person on this forum that thinks a team plays the same way in week 17 that they did in week 3, 7 or 10. Teams are always evolving, one way or another. It's not simply my opinion, it's called breaking down a random number you threw out there after week 17. Sometimes you need to disect things and take a closer look to see the truth.

You know something Wayne, the logic of your argument completely escapes me.