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    Here is some interesting info I have found in researching the game next week between New England and Baltimore.

    New England seems to be the odds on favorite to win the Super Bowl now that the Saints and Packers are out of it. But looking more closely at the Pats, they may in fact be a paper tiger. Since their last Supoer Bowl win in 2004 they have been a team that dominates in the regular season but gets bounced in the playoffs when facing better teams. The 2006 Pats went 12-4 and dominated the Colts in the first half before they collapsed in the second half and lost to Indy. In 2007 they go 16-0 and lose to the Giants in the Superbowl. In 2009 they go 10-6 and lose to the Ravens in the wild card round. In 2010 they are 14-2 and lose to the Jets in the Divisional round.

    Now on to 2011. If there is one reason to doubt the Pats despite their 13-3 record is their schedule. They have played one cream puff after another winning 13 times. However they did not beat one team with a winning record in 2011. The only teams with a winning record that they played were Pittsburgh and the Giants and guess what. They lost both of them. Granted New England could only play the teams on their schedule so it's not their fault their 13 wins came against teams who were 500 or lower. But the fact is New England benefited from a very soft schedule. The Pats played one team whose defense finished in the top 10 for total yards allowed the Jets whom they went 2-0 against.

    Contrast the Ravens this year. Including the game today, the Ravens have played 7 games against teams who went to the playoffs. They are 7-0 in those games. The Ravens and the underachieving Flacco have played 12 games against teams whose defense finished in the top ten. They went 10-2 in those games. I find in somewhat ironic that despite making the NFL an offensive minded league, 3 of the final 4 teams are more known for their defense than their offense right now, with the Pats being the only high powered offense, although I guess you can debate whether the Giants are more of an offensive or a defensive team

    One last interesting stat I came across. Since 1996 teams who have scored 40 plus points in a playoff game are 3-18 against the spread the next game. Probably because the books inflate the lines after a blowout win. Will post more info in this thread as I come across it.

  • #2
    Ravens are 7-2 against defenses who were in the top 10 in scoring defense while N.E. is 2-0 having beat Miami twice. Miami is the only team they played who was in the top ten scoring defense

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    • #3
      Going in to this season, the New England schedule was middle of the pack. The two teams that look like they had an easy path here was Baltimore and S.F. at the bottom, facing teams that were well below .500 in 2010

      STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE
      A look at the most difficult schedules in 2011 (based on opponents' 2010 record).

      Team Combined win-loss record Percentage
      1. Carolina Panthers 142-114-0 .555
      2. Buffalo Bills 137-119-0 .535
      3t. New York Jets* 133-123-0 .520
      3t. Indianapolis Colts* 133-123-0 .520
      3t. Jacksonville Jaguars 133-123-0 .520
      3t. Kansas City Chiefs* 133-123-0 .520
      3t. San Diego Chargers 133-133-0 .520
      3t. Denver Broncos 133-123-0 .520
      3t. Detroit Lions 133-123-0 .520
      10t. Miami Dolphins 132-124-0 .516
      10t. Houston Texans 132-124-0 .516
      10t. Minnesota Vikings 132-124-0 .516
      13t. Green Bay Packers* 130-126-0 .508
      13t. New Orleans Saints* 130-126-0 .508
      15t. New England Patriots* 129-127-0 .504
      15t. Philadelphia Eagles* 129-127-0 .504
      15t. Dallas Cowboys 129-127-0 .504
      18. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 127-129-0 .496
      19t. Cleveland Browns 126-130-0 .492
      19t. Oakland Raiders 126-130-0 .492
      19t. New York Giants 126-130-0 .492
      19t. Atlanta Falcons* 126-130-0 .492
      23t. Tennessee Titans 125-131-0 .488
      23t. Chicago Bears* 125-131-0 .488
      23t. Seattle Seahawks* 125-131-0 .488
      26. St. Louis Rams 122-134-0 .477
      27t. Pittsburgh Steelers* 121-135-0 .473
      27t. Cincinnati Bengals 121-135-0 .473
      27t. Washington Redskins 121-135-0 .473
      30. San Francisco 49ers 119-137-0 .465
      31. Baltimore Ravens* 117-139-0 .457

      32. Arizona Cardinals 113-143-0 .441

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      • #4
        Originally posted by wayne1218 View Post
        Going in to this season, the New England schedule was middle of the pack. The two teams that look like they had an easy path here was Baltimore and S.F. at the bottom, facing teams that were well below .500 in 2010

        STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE
        A look at the most difficult schedules in 2011 (based on opponents' 2010 record).

        Team Combined win-loss record Percentage
        1. Carolina Panthers 142-114-0 .555
        2. Buffalo Bills 137-119-0 .535
        3t. New York Jets* 133-123-0 .520
        3t. Indianapolis Colts* 133-123-0 .520
        3t. Jacksonville Jaguars 133-123-0 .520
        3t. Kansas City Chiefs* 133-123-0 .520
        3t. San Diego Chargers 133-133-0 .520
        3t. Denver Broncos 133-123-0 .520
        3t. Detroit Lions 133-123-0 .520
        10t. Miami Dolphins 132-124-0 .516
        10t. Houston Texans 132-124-0 .516
        10t. Minnesota Vikings 132-124-0 .516
        13t. Green Bay Packers* 130-126-0 .508
        13t. New Orleans Saints* 130-126-0 .508
        15t. New England Patriots* 129-127-0 .504
        15t. Philadelphia Eagles* 129-127-0 .504
        15t. Dallas Cowboys 129-127-0 .504
        18. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 127-129-0 .496
        19t. Cleveland Browns 126-130-0 .492
        19t. Oakland Raiders 126-130-0 .492
        19t. New York Giants 126-130-0 .492
        19t. Atlanta Falcons* 126-130-0 .492
        23t. Tennessee Titans 125-131-0 .488
        23t. Chicago Bears* 125-131-0 .488
        23t. Seattle Seahawks* 125-131-0 .488
        26. St. Louis Rams 122-134-0 .477
        27t. Pittsburgh Steelers* 121-135-0 .473
        27t. Cincinnati Bengals 121-135-0 .473
        27t. Washington Redskins 121-135-0 .473
        30. San Francisco 49ers 119-137-0 .465
        31. Baltimore Ravens* 117-139-0 .457

        32. Arizona Cardinals 113-143-0 .441
        That's fine and dandy Wayne but completely irrelevant. The fact is they Pats had a very soft schedule based on 2011 final standings not what happened in 2010

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        • #5
          This isn't irrelevAnt. The Patriots faced 8 teams this year with a "Winning Record" when they played them. They went (6-2) in those games and many of the 6 that they beat went on a downward spiral after losing to New England.

          I've heard that stat a lot but they didn't play them all at the end of the season.

          What matters is how they were playing "When you met them" and 8 were winning, 2 others were at .500

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          • #6
            I think a much more important fact is Brady >>>>>>>> Flacco.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by LVJimmy View Post
              I think a much more important fact is Brady >>>>>>>> Flacco.
              That's what they said about Alex Smith vs Drew Brees. How did that work out. And besides it's Brady vs Ravens defense and Flacco against the Pats defense.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by wayne1218 View Post
                This isn't irrelevAnt. The Patriots faced 8 teams this year with a "Winning Record" when they played them. They went (6-2) in those games and many of the 6 that they beat went on a downward spiral after losing to New England.

                I've heard that stat a lot but they didn't play them all at the end of the season.

                What matters is how they were playing "When you met them" and 8 were winning, 2 others were at .500
                Yep that makes sense. None of them could recover after the Pats ass whooping. Besides I guess we will find out in 7 days whether any of these stats matter. I know if you would have told me two weeks ago that neither the Saints or Packers would make the NFC title game I would have said your nuts.

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                • #9
                  [QUOTE=ravenmaniac;1962408]That's what they said about Alex Smith vs Drew Brees. How did that work out. And besides it's Brady vs Ravens defense and Flacco against the Pats defense

                  I actually think the Ravens have a great chance to win this game but in all honesty from what I have seen this year the Ravens are not a great defense themselves this year. I honestly believe which was reaffirnmed today if Schaub doesn't get hurt Houston would have made the Super Bowl

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by LVJimmy View Post
                    I think a much more important fact is Brady >>>>>>>> Flacco.
                    can not and will not bet against the ICE COOL BRADY!!!

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                    • #11
                      [QUOTE=diesel;1962411]
                      Originally posted by ravenmaniac View Post
                      That's what they said about Alex Smith vs Drew Brees. How did that work out. And besides it's Brady vs Ravens defense and Flacco against the Pats defense

                      I actually think the Ravens have a great chance to win this game but in all honesty from what I have seen this year the Ravens are not a great defense themselves this year. I honestly believe which was reaffirnmed today if Schaub doesn't get hurt Houston would have made the Super Bowl
                      If Jake delhomme played yesterday they would of won!!!!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ravenmaniac View Post
                        Ravens are 7-2 against defenses who were in the top 10 in scoring defense while N.E. is 2-0 having beat Miami twice. Miami is the only team they played who was in the top ten scoring defense
                        NE lost to the Steelers who were #1 in Scoring D as well, I believe.

                        Interesting though your point about teams in blowout wins not covering the next week. Especially since the line opened at 6.5 and is already 7.5 or 8. Sailed right over the critical number without pause.

                        Should be interesting game, good luck with your Ravens!

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                        • #13
                          [QUOTE=CashMoney;1962427]
                          Originally posted by diesel View Post

                          If Jake delhomme played yesterday they would of won!!!!
                          This comment only reenforces my belief that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about

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                          • #14
                            [QUOTE=ravenmaniac;1962434]
                            Originally posted by CashMoney View Post

                            This comment only reenforces my belief that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about
                            How did I get honored with making that ridiculous comment Common on Cash I said Schaub not 5 pick Delhomme

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ravenmaniac View Post
                              That's what they said about Alex Smith vs Drew Brees. How did that work out. And besides it's Brady vs Ravens defense and Flacco against the Pats defense.
                              Alex Smith played like a beast in that game...when has Flacco ever played that well in a "BIG" game? I understand that you're a Ravens fan, but take off the purple shaded glasses for a second and admit Flacco hasn't been anywhere close to really good in a BIG game.

                              He wasn't good against the Steelers in the playoffs last season. He was brutal in the 2009 playoffs and he was brutal in the 2008 playoffs.

                              6 TDs 7 INTs career in the playoffs

                              I'm not saying the Ravens can't beat the Pats...I'm saying Flacco better come up big if they wanna go to the SB.

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