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    CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- NASCAR president Brian France announced on Wednesday a new points system for its top three series that will make the sport simpler for fans to follow.

    The governing body also announced it will set qualifying order based on practice speeds and set starting order on practice speeds if qualifying is rained out. Previously, qualifying order was determined by a draw and starting order was set on points.

    But the changes to the points system was the biggest news as France unveiled the new formula at the NASCAR Hall of Fame to close Day 3 of the preseason Media Tour.


    The New Points System

    • Drivers will be awarded 43 points for first place, 42 for second place and one point less for every following position down to last place.

    • The winner will receive three bonus points.

    • One bonus point will be awarded for leading a lap, as well as for leading the most laps.

    • The winner would receive a minimum of 47 points and a maximum of 48. Second would receive a minimum of 42 points and a maximum of 44.

    Under the new points system, drivers will be awarded 43 points for first, 42 for second and one point less for every following position down to last. The winner will receive three bonus points with one bonus point awarded for leading a lap and one for leading the most laps.

    The winner will receive a minimum of 47 points and a maximum of 48. Second will receive a minimum of 42 points and a maximum of 44.

    The Chase field will remain 12 teams, but now the top 10 will be set on points with the next two spots based on points for drivers not in the top 10, but inside the top 20. If all the wins are among top-10 drivers, the final two spots will be set on points.

    Seeding for the Chase will be based on wins, with three points awarded for each during the first 26 races.

    Under this system, Jimmie Johnson still would have won his fifth consecutive championship last season, edging out Denny Hamlin by five points.

    Under the old system, the winner received 190 points for winning and leading a lap, 195 if he led the most laps. Second received a minimum of 170 points and maximum of 180.

    Under the old system, Johnson won the title by 39 points over Hamlin and 41 over Kevin Harvick.

    NASCAR president Mike Helton said last week during testing at Daytona International Speedway that the governing body has been looking for some time to simplify the system for fans and drivers.

    "Even for us we have to occasionally go to the rule book and look at what position got what points," Helton said. "The main goal is to get one that's just easier to understand and simpler, but you have to do that with credibility."


    Helton defended the system that some believe will reward consistency over winning.

    "We can continue enhancing the attention to and the appetite to win and bonus points and how we apply those to a basic simple structure to start with," he said.

    The biggest question France and Helton had to address on Wednesday was why change the points system when fans have expressed more pressing concerns, such as shortening races, shortening the season and giving more points for wins, to name a few.

    "We definitely communicated with our fan council," France said. "It's intuitive. We have a points system that is hard to describe for ourselves. We were sitting around trying to articulate every portion of it. ... We were unable to do it.

    "And listen, we saw [in the Chase] going back and forth, Denny, Jimmie, Kevin, through the fall, and ... you needed a mathematician at the end and you still might to some degree. But it was complicated to follow."

    France and Helton also defended the balance of the new system on consistency versus wins. The difference between first and last place under the old system was 20 percent, compared to two percent in the new system, which suggests drivers will be penalized heavier for a poor finish in the new system and make consistency more important.

    Helton said there is room in the system to adjust and award more points for winning in the future, whether it's for the season or just the Chase.

    "We don't ignore a change or make a change just for the sake of ignoring it or making it," Helton said. "We do things when we do it for the betterment of the entire community. The changes that we talked about today, it's a big deal to go from 43 to 1."

    NASCAR discussed the change individually with Sprint Cup organizations before making a final decision. Officials considered awarding anywhere from one to three bonus points for winning, and as late as Monday told several teams two was the likely number.

    France said the most important reason for the change is simplicity, even though he talked at the end of last season about expanding the Chase field to 15, and having eliminations and points resets during the Chase to create more "Game Seven" moments.

    France said the new system will make the races tighter and suggested that allowing the final two Chase spots be set on wins did put more emphasis on winning.

    "You think about it, you can get hot late and get in," France said. "If you're running 15th or 16th, you're just about out of the picture [under the old system]. And in the beginning of the season wins are going to matter because you may need one of those wins if you should have some Ds and Fs down the road.

    "So everywhere you turn you see that we may not take leaps in some instances, but you'll see a steady march to making and featuring winning as a more and more important part of this sport."

    Johnson said earlier Wednesday he doesn't see the changes making a huge difference in the outcome of the championship.

    "In theory, being consistent has always been the key," he said. "If you're in that 20th or 25th on down, you run out of points quick. You can lose a lot with a couple of bad races. That exists.

    "The one thing I always remind myself is it's the same for everyone. Everybody has ups and downs. When you get to the Chase especially, we know you need a 5.0 finishing average or somewhere in that department to win. If you're racing for the big prize, I don't think there's a big change there."

    Johnson's crew chief, Chad Knaus, isn't concerned with the new structure.

    "The strategy is we've got to make the Chase," he said. "If we can pull that off then we'll worry about winning the championship."

    Asked if it was coincidental the change came after Johnson won his fifth-straight title, team owner Rick Hendrick said, "It is coincidental, isn't it? The first I heard about it, I started looking at how will this affect us.

    "Really it comes out about the same, but I haven't had enough time to really study it," Hendrick said. "It looks to me if you're consistently near the top and have a guy that could win and he has a bad couple of races, you could be in trouble."

    Four-time champion Jeff Gordon said the new system makes sense to him.

    "There are times I've been confused by the points system," he said. "[This is] a way to simplify it and connect with the fans. Whether you're a veteran or a new fan, you're making it more relevant to the positions on the track. It'll make it easier for the commentators to talk about and analyze for the championship battle.

    "Especially as tight as these battles are going all the way to the final race. That's one of the things I heard in that meetings I'm pretty excited about."

    Seven-time champion Richard Petty agreed a simpler point system is good, but he wasn't in favor of giving bonus points for anything.

    "That has nothing to do with the race," the owner of Richard Petty Motorsports said. "We're the only sport there is that gives points or gives relief for leading a race or winning a race. ... Basketball, the last shot has got to count. You could lead the whole ballgame or golf game, and get beat on the last deal and that's it, you're beat.

    "That's the way it ought to be in NASCAR. They ought to make it so simple a 10-year-old can keep up with points."

    The qualifying changes will put more of a premium on practice, particularly on weekends when there is a threat of rain.

    Last year, Harvick won poles in the Martinsville spring race and July Daytona race as the points leader. Johnson claimed the pole at the spring Talladega race.

    In 2009, six races were set by points after qualifying was washed out and in 2008 there were 10.

  • #2
    Looks like someone is stealing ideas from my Nascar 21 pool!

    I was a long way ahead of the curve!
    Last edited by wayne1218; 01-26-2011, 11:29 PM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by wayne1218 View Post
      Looks like someone is stealing ideas from my Nascar 21 pool!

      I was a long way ahead of the curve!
      Maybe Nascar should hire you Wayne

      I like the new changes.I think it will be easier for the fans to keep up with

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      • #4
        Originally posted by wayne1218 View Post
        Looks like someone is stealing ideas from my Nascar 21 pool!

        I was a long way ahead of the curve!
        Same fvckin' thing I thought Bastage ....

        Should make it ez'er to figure out pts in Survivor as well

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        • #5
          Good. Its about time.

          Is it true that drivers who now drive in the Sprint Series are no longer allowed to drive in the Nationwide ???

          I also think they should bump up the number of drivers for the cup to 16 and have only them drive the last 10 races of the year for the cup. That way the rest of the field who doesnt have a chance cant ruin it for those who made it.
          Last edited by insidethe8thpol; 01-27-2011, 01:25 PM.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by wayne1218 View Post
            CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- NASCAR president Brian France announced on Wednesday a new points system for its top three series that will make the sport simpler for fans to follow.

            The governing body also announced it will set qualifying order based on practice speeds and set starting order on practice speeds if qualifying is rained out. Previously, qualifying order was determined by a draw and starting order was set on points.

            But the changes to the points system was the biggest news as France unveiled the new formula at the NASCAR Hall of Fame to close Day 3 of the preseason Media Tour.


            The New Points System

            • Drivers will be awarded 43 points for first place, 42 for second place and one point less for every following position down to last place.

            • The winner will receive three bonus points.

            • One bonus point will be awarded for leading a lap, as well as for leading the most laps.

            • The winner would receive a minimum of 47 points and a maximum of 48. Second would receive a minimum of 42 points and a maximum of 44.

            Under the new points system, drivers will be awarded 43 points for first, 42 for second and one point less for every following position down to last. The winner will receive three bonus points with one bonus point awarded for leading a lap and one for leading the most laps.

            The winner will receive a minimum of 47 points and a maximum of 48. Second will receive a minimum of 42 points and a maximum of 44.

            The Chase field will remain 12 teams, but now the top 10 will be set on points with the next two spots based on points for drivers not in the top 10, but inside the top 20. If all the wins are among top-10 drivers, the final two spots will be set on points.

            Seeding for the Chase will be based on wins, with three points awarded for each during the first 26 races.

            Under this system, Jimmie Johnson still would have won his fifth consecutive championship last season, edging out Denny Hamlin by five points.


            Johnson said earlier Wednesday he doesn't see the changes making a huge difference in the outcome of the championship.

            "In theory, being consistent has always been the key," he said. "If you're in that 20th or 25th on down, you run out of points quick. You can lose a lot with a couple of bad races. That exists.

            "The one thing I always remind myself is it's the same for everyone. Everybody has ups and downs. When you get to the Chase especially, we know you need a 5.0 finishing average or somewhere in that department to win. If you're racing for the big prize, I don't think there's a big change there."

            Johnson's crew chief, Chad Knaus, isn't concerned with the new structure.

            "The strategy is we've got to make the Chase," he said. "If we can pull that off then we'll worry about winning the championship."

            Asked if it was coincidental the change came after Johnson won his fifth-straight title, team owner Rick Hendrick said, "It is coincidental, isn't it? The first I heard about it, I started looking at how will this affect us.

            "Really it comes out about the same, but I haven't had enough time to really study it," Hendrick said. "It looks to me if you're consistently near the top and have a guy that could win and he has a bad couple of races, you could be in trouble."

            Four-time champion Jeff Gordon said the new system makes sense to him.

            "There are times I've been confused by the points system," he said. "[This is] a way to simplify it and connect with the fans. Whether you're a veteran or a new fan, you're making it more relevant to the positions on the track. It'll make it easier for the commentators to talk about and analyze for the championship battle.

            "Especially as tight as these battles are going all the way to the final race. That's one of the things I heard in that meetings I'm pretty excited about."

            Seven-time champion Richard Petty agreed a simpler point system is good, but he wasn't in favor of giving bonus points for anything.

            "That has nothing to do with the race," the owner of Richard Petty Motorsports said. "We're the only sport there is that gives points or gives relief for leading a race or winning a race. ... Basketball, the last shot has got to count. You could lead the whole ballgame or golf game, and get beat on the last deal and that's it, you're beat.

            "That's the way it ought to be in NASCAR. They ought to make it so simple a 10-year-old can keep up with points."

            The qualifying changes will put more of a premium on practice, particularly on weekends when there is a threat of rain.

            Last year, Harvick won poles in the Martinsville spring race and July Daytona race as the points leader. Johnson claimed the pole at the spring Talladega race.

            In 2009, six races were set by points after qualifying was washed out and in 2008 there were 10.
            [Quote]The new points system -- which applies to all NASCAR national series -- will award points in one-point increments. As an example, in the Cup Series, race winners will earn 43 points, plus three bonus points for the victory. Winners also can earn an extra point for leading a lap and leading the most laps, bringing their total to a possible maximum of 48 points.

            All other drivers in a finishing order will be separated by one-point increments. A second-place finisher will earn 42 points, a third-place driver 41 points, and so on. A last-place finisher -- 43rd place -- earns one point. In the Camping World Truck Series, the last-place finisher receives eight points, to account for that series' 36-driver race field.



            Other competitive enhancements announced Wednesday:

            Pick a Series -- Drivers in all three national series now must select the series where they'll compete for a drivers' championship. Drivers still may compete in multiple series and help their teams win owners' titles in series where they're not competing for a drivers' title. The move helps spotlight young talent in the Nationwide and Truck series.

            New Qualifying Procedure -- The qualifying order will be set based upon slowest-to-fastest practice speeds.

            Inclement Weather Qualifying -- If bad weather cancels qualifying, the final starting lineup will be determined by practice speeds. The same rule book procedures will be used to determine eligibility to start a race. If weather cancels practice sessions, then the starting lineup will be set by points, per the rule book.

            Tire Rules Revision -- Cup teams now are allowed five sets of tires for practice and qualifying instead of six. They must return four of those sets to Goodyear in order to receive their race allotment, and may keep one set of practice/qualifying tires. Tire allotments for race weekends will vary according to historical performance data.

            Closed Loop Fueling System -- Introduced in the Truck Series, this goes into effect for all three national series in 2011. It combines a more efficient fueling system with the elimination of the catch-can man, considered the most "vulnerable" pit-crew member. Teams now will use six, rather than seven, over-the-wall pit-crew members.

            Evolution of Cup Car -- NASCAR continues to work with the manufacturers and teams to enhance the look of the Cup Series car. The cars have new fronts this season and the body makeover will continue to help appeal to fans and aid manufacturer identity. [Quote]

            The graphic during the announcement stated that "11th and 12th can't move up " ! WTF does that mean
            Last edited by Ldawg; 01-27-2011, 01:42 PM.

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            • #7
              [QUOTE=Ldawg;1887981]
              The graphic during the announcement stated that "11th and 12th can't move up " ! WTF does that mean
              The 11th and 12th place guys in the chase are the 2 drivers not in the top 10 but have the most wins. When they reset the points for the chase and add 3 bonus points for each win someone in 8th could jump up to 6th if he won a few races. 11th and 12th are getting LET in the chase so if one of them was to have 4 wins they couldn't jump up to 8th or 9th to start the chase. They "Cant' move up".

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              • #8
                [QUOTE=vols fan;1887993]
                Originally posted by Vols1887981

                The 11th and 12th place guys in the chase are the 2 drivers not in the top 10 but have the most wins. When they reset the points for the chase and add 3 bonus points for each win someone in 8th could jump up to 6th if he won a few races. 11th and 12th are getting LET in the chase so if one of them was to have 4 wins they couldn't jump up to 8th or 9th to start the chase. They "Cant' move up".
                Can't move up when they FIRST get "in" the Chase BUT then they WILL score pts just like everyone else in the Chase, Right !! Thanks Vols for putting the Darrell Waltrip on that ...

                Ck this out ------> DW on utube YouTube - AllWaltrip's Channel
                Last edited by Ldawg; 01-27-2011, 03:37 PM.

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                • #9
                  IMO I dont care how they determine who makes the chase. While they are keeping more drivers in the chase longer they need to get into some sort of eliminations during it. Instead of giving any one team a point advantage going into the end simply set up playoff groups of 6 with each driver having no advantage from the start but make it seed eligible with a lottery for groupings (to minimize teams trying to slot in kind of like the NBA system). After the first 6 races you take the top 4 teams and again reset the points. It would definately make the chase more interesting IMO. The other seeded teams will still be racing for their positioning behind the top four and you will have a real championship race.
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                  • #10
                    none of this will effect me. I'm never in the points chase for a title.

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                    • #11
                      [QUOTE=Ldawg;1887996]
                      Originally posted by vols fan View Post

                      Can't move up when they FIRST get "in" the Chase BUT then they WILL score pts just like everyone else in the Chase, Right !! Thanks Vols for putting the Darrell Waltrip on that ...

                      Ck this out ------> DW on utube YouTube - AllWaltrip's Channel
                      Exactly. Starting the first race of the chase they can pass anyone and move all the way to 1st if they can but when the Chase contenders are called out in order after all the bonus points for wins are given those guys will still be 11th and 12th.I guess since Nascar is giving them a free pass it wouldn't be fair for 11th and 12th to start the chase in 8th spot and jump the guys that were consistent and got in by making it in the top 10 in points. Alot of crazy shit aint it Dawg?

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                      • #12
                        Lot of stupid shit. Nascar is getting ridiculous changing rules every fucking year imo

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                        • #13
                          I actually like this a lot. Reminds me more of Indy or F-1 scoring a little bit. I also think it will simplify it for fringe Nascar fans and it will make it even simpler for those of us that watch every race. If a guy is 17 points behind another, you know for the most part he has to finish 17 ahead in that race to tie him. Just simple and i like it. Should have done it years ago imo. Late in the season it will also look like the points race is bundled up and everybody is in it. The point system will fool the naked eye a little bit that way with very few points awarded and i do think it will draw more interest.

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                          • #14
                            I like practice speeds setting a lineup if qualifying is rained out too. Love it!

                            I hated the whole standard of being set by points. If you see bad weather looming on Friday, you may see guys driving like crazy in a Thursday practice = More racin' and more interesting practices!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by wayne1218 View Post
                              I like practice speeds setting a lineup if qualifying is rained out too. Love it!

                              I hated the whole standard of being set by points. If you see bad weather looming on Friday, you may see guys driving like crazy in a Thursday practice = More racin' and more interesting practices!
                              I agree. If you have a fast car in practice you deserve to be up front if it rains. Plus when it doesn't rain the worst cars in practice will qualify first and it saves the best for last. Watching the last 10 guys in qualifying will be pretty neat. The guy with the pole with one driver left will know that guy has the fastest car of the weekend so far. They might just keep bumping each other off the pole till the last guy goes out

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