Derek Jeter!!!!!!!!

[PHILLY1974]

He is a classes as they come. Plus he his an extremely high pussy status. Man gets more pussy they everyone on this form combined.

[mavskidd02]

I'm really at a loss how this guy was voted most overrated.

Not to get into an argument here, because I know you and a lot of other guys like Jeter. I like him too, he's a classy guy and a good player.

But, in my opinion, he IS overrated. That doesn't mean he's bad, he's a good player, but he really isn't as good as people make him out to be.....

[frankb03]

Not to get into an argument here, because I know you and a lot of other guys like Jeter. I like him too, he's a classy guy and a good player.

But, in my opinion, he IS overrated. That doesn't mean he's bad, he's a good player, but he really isn't as good as people make him out to be.....

Explain how he's overrated. I'm not a Yankee fan nor am I a Jeter fan. I just don't understand why his peers and fans think he's overrated.

He's a shortstop. I think many overlook that. When compared to other Hall of Fame shortstops her ranks near the top in almost every category. There's probably only 2 HOF shortstops I'd take before Jeter. Honus Wagner and Ernie Banks.

[mavskidd02]

Explain how he's overrated. I'm not a Yankee fan nor am I a Jeter fan. I just don't understand why his peers and fans think he's overrated.

He's a shortstop. I think many overlook that. When compared to other Hall of Fame shortstops her ranks near the top in almost every category. There's probably only 2 HOF shortstops I'd take before Jeter. Honus Wagner and Ernie Banks.

He doesn't though Frank......

He's a mediocre fielder.

He's a good hitter (average wise), but that is about all I'd take him for.

[frankb03]

He doesn't though Frank......

There's 21 shortstops in the HOF He's:

3rd in batting average
7th in OB% (4% from leaping to 3rd)
4th Slugging%
5th in total hits (28 from 4th. Only 3 SS have 3000+. He'll easily surpass 3000)
4th HRs (28 from 3rd)
9th RBIs
4th Runs
8th Stolen Bases

[mavskidd02]

Like I said, good hitter, no doubt about it. His offense is great. But to receive so much praise and adulation, you think he would be a great fielder too.

In my experience a lot of people take Jeter to be an excellent fielder, and that's a misconception. That's all I'm saying.

He is an OVERRATED fielder, and a HOF hitter.

That's my take...

[frankb03]

Like I said, good hitter, no doubt about it. His offense is great. But to receive so much praise and adulation, you think he would be a great fielder too.

He is an OVERRATED fielder, and a HOF hitter.

That's my take...

Define mediocre? How many HOF SS are better fielders? How many active shortstops over the last 5 years are better fielders.

In my experience a lot of people take Jeter to be an excellent fielder, and that's a misconception. That's all I'm saying.

You think so? I think the opposite. He's not great I think he gets an undeserved bad wrap as a fielder. He's not great but he's not as bad as some portray him.

[frankb03]

He's a mediocre fielder.

Is this a fact or opinion? Your opinion or the misinformed opinion of the so called ESPN experts and media?

When compared to HOF shortstops Jeter is 3rd in fielding% (3% behind Cal). Most say Ozzie Smith is the greatest fielding shortstop. Are you aware Jeter's fielding% is only 2 points behind Ozzie? 978 vs. 976. In no way shape or form does Jeter compare to Ozzie as a defensive SS. Only pointing out Jeter is better than he's given credit.

As a player Ozzie BA is 55 points behind Jeter 317 vs 262. HRs 223 vs. 28. OB% 387 vs. 337. Slugging% 459 vs. 328.

Statistically, if anyone is overrated as a fielder it's Ozzie. Ozzie was glorified because he made some amazing plays that we've seen dozens of times. He was more smooth in the field. Doing his backflips didn't hurt the attention he received.

Based on the above Jeter is head and shoulders above Ozzie as a complete shortstop.

[mavskidd02]

Ozzie is an overrated fielder as well. Going by statistics. I'm not arguing that point. Jeter is overrated in the fielding department.

In 2001, 02 and 03 Jeter was statistically THE WORST FIELDING SS in the AL consecutively. He ranked dead last in Range and Zone. Great fielders don't rank dead last for their position, sure they have bad years, but they don't rank dead last, and they don't do it three seasons in a row.

He's improved a lot since then. And that's great, but he is still not a good fielder, and like I said, he is mediocre at best.

A lot of people (in my experience) talk about how great he is, with his backhanded stabs, and "jump throws" and his voluntary face plants. And to me, it's a lot like what people say about Ozzie. Does it look good and "smooth? Yeah, it does. But when you look at hard statistics. He's a sub-par SS defensively. Not to mention he's not even the best SS on his OWN TEAM!

[mavskidd02]

Is this a fact or opinion? Your opinion or the misinformed opinion of the so called ESPN experts and media?

My opinion is based on the hard statistics. It is partially influenced by the gross adulation I hear about him as a New Yorker everyday.

[frankb03]

In 2001, 02 and 03 Jeter was statistically THE WORST FIELDING SS in the AL consecutively. He ranked dead last in Range and Zone. Great fielders don't rank dead last for their position, sure they have bad years, but they don't rank dead last, and they don't do it three seasons in a row.

He's improved a lot since then. And that's great, but he is still not a good fielder, and like I said, he is mediocre at best.

I agree! He was terrible. I also agree he's greatly improved. But look at the last 6 years. He's finished in top-10 5 years. Not great but again better than he's portrayed. IMO he's perceived as a mediocre fielder because of his early years.

Not to mention he's not even the best SS on his OWN TEAM!

Agreed!

[frankb03]

I'm not suggesting Jeter is a great fielder. When compared to other HOF shortstops he's one of the best. Look at the stats of the HOF shortstops. Then tell my why they're in the hall? Then compare Jeter and tell me he's not a HOFer. Throughout history there's dozens of better fielding shortstops that aren't in the hall.

[mavskidd02]

I'm not suggesting Jeter is a great fielder. When compared to other HOF shortstops he's one of the best. Look at the stats of the HOF shortstops. Then tell my why they're in the hall? Then compare Jeter and tell me he's not a HOFer. Throughout history there's dozens of better fielding shortstops that aren't in the hall.

He is a HOFer!!!

Still overrated however, IMO.

[wayne1218]

I'm a Red Sox fan and i love Jeter for his game and his class on and off the field. He may not be the greatest fielder ever at short but the guy is absolutely clutch. I will never forget two plays with Jeter and they are both while playing defense. One was flying into the stands at 3rd base vs Boston in the playoffs a few years back. He was bloody and caught the ball. The other was in Oakland (I think) years ago when he caught the cutoff in front of home plate and flipped it backwards to get the guy out at the plate. Great, great, player imo.

[mavskidd02]

Diving into the stands.........

Takes three full steps, dives into stands, voluntarily

Oakland flip......

Didn't have to touch it, even if he did Posada was the star on that play. (unbelievable catch and tag!!) Giambi not sliding makes me laugh every time I see it.

Two plays that fuel Jeter's misconception as a great fielder, IMo.....