Faber's right hand.......

[WayneChung]

You think he clearly won round one? I watched it last night and a couple hours ago at work when I was bored. Even the announcers thought it was pretty even. I don't know too much about the judges' scoring, you could be right.

Does it really take 9 months for that hand to heal back to fighting form? That sucks big time for Faber. Sucks for the sport too, as he seems to be very well liked.

he has been the face of the WEC,very,very well liked,HAS ALWAYS BEEN ONE OF MY TOP 5 FAVORITES IN MMA,the cali kid has skills,that is terrible about 9 months to recover !! ps-when they play that "california hear i come" as he is entering the ring is one of the most electric moments in the sport-TALK TO YOU LATER MK !! ps-but my boy brown coming in with "simple man" playing is not bad-LOL !!

[MR Pain]

You think he clearly won round one? I watched it last night and a couple hours ago at work when I was bored. Even the announcers thought it was pretty even. I don't know too much about the judges' scoring, you could be right.

Does it really take 9 months for that hand to heal back to fighting form? That sucks big time for Faber. Sucks for the sport too, as he seems to be very well liked.

don't get me wrong here mavs he didn't clearly win the round as i made it sound, it was a close round but i definiteley gave it to faber, i feel he did more work, and pushed forward, anytime in the wec or ufc if it is that close it almost always comes down to who was pushing the action forward, or who landed or executed the best or hardest move in the round.

EX; if we boxed around the ring for the first 3 minutes and it was even let's say you knocked me down, the judges would favor you, if i got a 2 leg takedown, followed it up with an elbow, let you get up and took you down again, i win the round. (even though you knocked me down, i pushed forward the whole round and got those takedowns instead of backing up letting you pick me apart) being able to control your opponent is what wins rounds the most when it's even IMO

faber opened mike's eye in that first round, and landed the most accurate strike, both were right hands, Mike had a big right of his own and i believe a takedown, and faber got up.....who did more work, who was more active, that's what it comes down to in fights as close as that.

and yes as chung said Faber has been the WEC meal ticket for years now, more so than any other fighter. That time is appearing to run out with all of these new breed 145lbs coming over, and developing. I will always be a faber fan just like chung he's in my top 5 favorites in todays game, but i actaully see a couple of 145 pounders taking that title, in the near future. ALDO !

and just real quick mavs whenever you have some time check out some of faber's fights from like 06 and 07 the jeff curran fight is a good example of the fighter he was, faber never really had hands at all, it was all speed and wrestling, mixed with kicks, then they finally put him up against jens pulver who at the time seemed to be the perfect guy to beat him, jens has got a BIG left hand and it seemed like faber could not avoid it for 5 rounds not only did he come out and avoid it he dominated in every single aspect of MMA and the best part of it was the srtiking, a guy that never really "stood" before, stood toe 2 toe with one of the best KO shots in the division ever for 5 full rounds and kind of made him look a little silly if you ask me, (top 3 fight of that year, if you did not see the first faber/pulver go watch it !) and that was the begininng of the end for jens pulver (gotta show respect though) MAVS LOOK UP THE THREAD TITLED SUPERIGHT posted by chung, a good MMA thread and we don't have many on here.

IMO it might of even been the beginning of the end for faber, see he broke his hand in that one too, the first time he ever really used his hands technically, then a hurricane down here in florida delayed the first faber/brown match a full 2 months. without that extra 2 months i do not think faber would have fought, but he did and he lost to mike brown, then they gave faber a rematch with pulver and this time it was over quickly, brown defended against leanord garcia, and that brought us up to date with this rematch. It seems that ever since faber started striking which was in the first faber vs pulver i believe he has injured his hand in some way in every fight since then. When he broke it vs pulver it didn't look as bad as last night and that took about 7 and a half months. With his speed and power he needs to wait until it fully healed and IMO 9 months

EXTREMELY well liked i don't know if you can like a guy anymore if your a fan of his, he is a true representative of the sport. As well is Mike thomas brown he's just a simple kind of man though, no lights camera action for mike, no hype, he just comes in does his job and leaves.

sorry for the novel mavs i get carried away with MMA !

[WayneChung]

don't get me wrong here mavs he didn't clearly win the round as i made it sound, it was a close round but i definiteley gave it to faber, i feel he did more work, and pushed forward, anytime in the wec or ufc if it is that close it almost always comes down to who was pushing the action forward, or who landed or executed the best or hardest move in the round.

EX; if we boxed around the ring for the first 3 minutes and it was even let's say you knocked me down, the judges would favor you, if i got a 2 leg takedown, followed it up with an elbow, let you get up and took you down again, i win the round. (even though you knocked me down, i pushed forward the whole round and got those takedowns instead of backing up letting you pick me apart) being able to control your opponent is what wins rounds the most when it's even IMO

faber opened mike's eye in that first round, and landed the most accurate strike, both were right hands, Mike had a big right of his own and i believe a takedown, and faber got up.....who did more work, who was more active, that's what it comes down to in fights as close as that.

and yes as chung said Faber has been the WEC meal ticket for years now, more so than any other fighter. That time is appearing to run out with all of these new breed 145lbs coming over, and developing. I will always be a faber fan just like chung he's in my top 5 favorites in todays game, but i actaully see a couple of 145 pounders taking that title, in the near future. ALDO !

and just real quick mavs whenever you have some time check out some of faber's fights from like 06 and 07 the jeff curran fight is a good example of the fighter he was, faber never really had hands at all, it was all speed and wrestling, mixed with kicks, then they finally put him up against jens pulver who at the time seemed to be the perfect guy to beat him, jens has got a BIG left hand and it seemed like faber could not avoid it for 5 rounds not only did he come out and avoid it he dominated in every single aspect of MMA and the best part of it was the srtiking, a guy that never really "stood" before, stood toe 2 toe with one of the best KO shots in the division ever for 5 full rounds and kind of made him look a little silly if you ask me, (top 3 fight of that year, if you did not see the first faber/pulver go watch it !) and that was the begininng of the end for jens pulver (gotta show respect though) MAVS LOOK UP THE THREAD TITLED SUPERIGHT posted by chung, a good MMA thread and we don't have many on here.

IMO it might of even been the beginning of the end for faber, see he broke his hand in that one too, the first time he ever really used his hands technically, then a hurricane down here in florida delayed the first faber/brown match a full 2 months. without that extra 2 months i do not think faber would have fought, but he did and he lost to mike brown, then they gave faber a rematch with pulver and this time it was over quickly, brown defended against leanord garcia, and that brought us up to date with this rematch. It seems that ever since faber started striking which was in the first faber vs pulver i believe he has injured his hand in some way in every fight since then. When he broke it vs pulver it didn't look as bad as last night and that took about 7 and a half months. With his speed and power he needs to wait until it fully healed and IMO 9 months

EXTREMELY well liked i don't know if you can like a guy anymore if your a fan of his, he is a true representative of the sport. As well is Mike thomas brown he's just a simple kind of man though, no lights camera action for mike, no hype, he just comes in does his job and leaves.

sorry for the novel mavs i get carried away with MMA !

mr pain,you know the cardio faber has,with his speed and skills,i think he can still compete at the top,one things for sure,he's hungry now which makes him more dangerous,when he was winning all those fights,he was always talking about partying at the hard rock all the time,i think hes a little more focused now after tasting defeat,anyway i personally hope,he stays committed.gets the hand healed up,and rises back to the top,everybody loves him,just like the love the iceman use to get-ANYWAY KID CALIFORNIA,HEARS TO HEALING UP QUICKLY AND GETTING YOUR BELT BACK,AND ABOUT A 4 YEAR RUN AT THE TOP-YOU CAN DO IT BROTHER,BUT LIKE MR PAIN SAID,YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK EVEN HARDER NOW WITH YOUR AGE AND THE SKILLS OF THE GUYS COMPETING IN YOUR WEIGHT CLASS-PLEASE COME BACK AND GET THAT TITLE BROTHER-YOU ARE SO BIG FOR THIS SPORT !!
PS-"CALIFORNIA,HERE I COME " WHO LUVS U,WHO LUVS U BABE ??

[mark30]

I do not think he will get the title back. I do not think he can beat Brown, Aldo, Fabiany or even Grispi. Faber is a very good fighter but I think he is a step behind these other guys.

[WayneChung]

in your opinion mark,who wins brown-aldo ??

[WayneChung]

in your opinion mark,who wins brown-aldo ??

sticking with the above subject,you know how tough it was for some of iceman's fans to let go // i am that way with faber,i swear,i would not have been that mad if i lost my bet the other day,and i had a nice-sized wager // just got a lot of love for this guy,hope he gets back on top....ps-i read somewhere faber would face grispi 1st,assuming things have not changed that much by the time his hand heals,so maybe we will find out,should be a great fight !!

[WayneChung]

one things for sure though,i will not let who i like with my heart interfere with my bets // you guys know my blood bleeds orange-go tenny vols,but several times i have bet against them with my GOY-LOL !!

[mavskidd02]

Thanks for the read pain. Watch those fights if I have the time.

Watched the brown-faber fight prior to II on Sunday. Great fight, and made me even more confident in Brown after wards. I like Brown a lot, and I'm interested to see this Aldo kid you guys are talking about.

Also like Pulver a lot too. Even after he lost is less than 30 seconds, showed a whole lot of class. Which must be tough...... Train for the fight for days on end, and lose the fight in seconds must be a real hard thing.

[mark30]

in your opinion mark,who wins brown-aldo ??

As of now I favor Brown. Brown is very well rounded with a lot of experience. He has great wrestling and KO power. Aldo is a young beast who also has great KO power. He doesnt have the wrestling that Brown has. I think Pain says he has good bjj. I havent seen it yet since he has KO'd his last 2 wec oppenents. Brown is big and strong and hard to submit.
I think it will be a great fight. Right now I would take Brown but that could change come fight time.

[WayneChung]

i am like you,i lean with brown also,the only area he needs to improve on is his speed,if brown can work on moving around the ring a little quicker-HE WILL BE LETHAL !!

[WayneChung]

i am like you,i lean with brown also,the only area he needs to improve on is his speed,if brown can work on moving around the ring a little quicker-he will be lethal !!

i know he has the title,but i am talking best ever,up there with machida-work on the speed drills brown-signed coach chung !!

[WayneChung]

t-CALIFORNIA HAS PUT FABER ON MEDICAL SUSPENSION TILL SOMETIME IN DEC !!

[MR Pain]

i know he has the title,but i am talking best ever,up there with machida-work on the speed drills brown-signed coach chung !!

WHOOOOAAAA slow down that train coach chung i must stop you right there sir and ask for license and registration, now get out and walk a straight line. LOL just joking brother but Lyoto and Anderson are like tied for #1 for me or #1 and #2 and while i give mike a lot of credit for working his way up quietly while showcasing some great skills nobody realized he had.

mike brown's name doesn't belong in the same sentence, maybe the same article but not sentence as Lyoto Machida's IMO, and neither does faber as of now, if he comes back maybe ?

[MR Pain]

t-CALIFORNIA HAS PUT FABER ON MEDICAL SUSPENSION TILL SOMETIME IN DEC !!

yep, i knew it chung the first time it took him 7 and a half months......june through december is...7 months, and that's nothing then it's 8 weeks of camp so like i said in this thread or one of our other one's faber will be out for 9 months !

i think mavs was like it takes that long....unfortunately yes

[MR Pain]

As of now I favor Brown. Brown is very well rounded with a lot of experience. He has great wrestling and KO power. Aldo is a young beast who also has great KO power. He doesnt have the wrestling that Brown has. I think Pain says he has good bjj. I havent seen it yet since he has KO'd his last 2 wec oppenents. Brown is big and strong and hard to submit.
I think it will be a great fight. Right now I would take Brown but that could change come fight time.

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A brief History with Nova Uniao's background

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In 1914, Esai Maeda (Count Koma) arrived in Brazil. He was a World Champion in Jiu-Jitsu and would travel Japan as a professional wrestler and fight all challengers. Once in Brazil, Esai became friends with Gastao Gracie and as a show of friendship he taught Gastao's son, Carlos Gracie, the art of Jiu-Jitsu.

From that point Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu kept on developing and was spreading all over Brazil. It is a style based more on leverage than strength, so it appeals to people from all walks of life. It is the world’s fastest growing martial art and it will continue to be this way as more and more people are recognizing the need for the grappling arts.

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About Nova Uniao's founder:
Members of the Gracie family are not the only ones to operate federations and associations of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu who may organize tournaments or give rank within the art. In an interview with Andre Pederneiras, a fifth degree black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and founder of the Nova Uniao team, he was asked about his involvement in the promotion of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and organization of the art's first tournament. He stated that he had organized the first Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu tournament in 1993, then the following questions were asked:

"What is the difference between the first Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu tournament you created and the BJJ Confederation (Carlos Jr.'s) Tournament?"

"Price for one. In my tournament, I charged competitors ten dollars per person and Carlos Gracie Jr. charged thirty dollars. I only charged ten dollars, but I held the event in an expensive place called Club Hebraica. At the time his tournament was held as the Clube Guanabarra and I know he paid nothing for this place."
"Did you collaborate on this event with the president of the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Confederation, Mr. Carlos Gracie Jr.?"

"Of course not. The confederation did not exist yet when I was putting this tournament together. After my idea, Carlos Gracie created the Brazilian Confederation and started to make the other Brazilian tournaments."
"So basically he made a much greater profit than you did?"

"Exactly. I created the tournament so that all Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu fighters could compete and have a good time, not to get rich. Our priorities are were just different."

Jose Aldo has 5 fights in the WEC all 5 have come by way of TKO, this dude hasn't even needed to get on the ground yet, and he's 22 years old and already a 4 time brazilian jiu jitsu champion, as well as World Champion as well, his training partners are Ribiero and a another guy i like a lot that you mentioned above wagnney fabiano. he also trains with thales leites as well all 3 VERY legitimate black belts.

it's said he wants a shot at torres at 135. probably so fabiano could concentrate on 145lb. Aldo will be a good size dog vs torres, and still a dog vs mike brown, i'm on aldo either way at whatever weight class guys.